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Post by dontom on Dec 1, 2012 5:51:29 GMT -5
"Some Christian clerics at the meeting in the Ugandan capital, Kampala, asked the speaker to pass the law as “a Christmas gift.” See here.-Don-
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Post by bluejay77 on Dec 2, 2012 2:20:21 GMT -5
How many percent of the general population are homosexual?
Is it true that the tendency to homosexuality is caused by some brain damage, which in turn is due to a hormonal problem in the fetus?
I myself have no first-hand information on homosexuality, only newspaper stories I have read.
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Post by Swampy on Dec 2, 2012 2:30:51 GMT -5
Antti, Don is a gay Vietnam vet, so he would know of such issues.
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Post by Sir John on Dec 2, 2012 2:37:25 GMT -5
PMFBI,
As the father of identical twin sons, both of whom were gay, I think I can safely say that homosexuality is NOT caused by an event, it is there at birth. In other words nature, not nurture.
We lost one twin to an AIDS related illness 16 years ago, and we live in perpetual fear of losing the other.
As for the %, I have read a dozen numbers, but feel it is somewhere between 1% and 5%. I doubt that the claim of 10% is valid.
JMO
SJ
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Post by dontom on Dec 2, 2012 4:02:18 GMT -5
How many percent of the general population are homosexual? My guess is about 3%, but the percentage changes a lot with the definitions, such as if you include bisexuals, etc. Is it true that the tendency to homosexuality is caused by some brain damage, which in turn is due to a hormonal problem in the fetus? There is as much evidence of that as being the cause of heterosexuality. I myself have no first-hand information on homosexuality, only newspaper stories I have read. That's obvious by your questions. -Don-
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 9:18:54 GMT -5
Don,
Don't blow your chance to educate someone who really wants to learn and understand - and the rest of us as well.
Denny
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Post by Swampy on Dec 2, 2012 10:42:49 GMT -5
Don, I agree with Denny. Bluejay is a member of two very high-IQ societies, and he is a PhD candidate in computer science, so he's asking to learn, not to challenge.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 14:53:55 GMT -5
Despite the fact that he is obviously way overqualified for this forum, we won't hold that against him. Don, on the other hand...
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Post by dontom on Dec 2, 2012 23:00:21 GMT -5
Don, I agree with Denny. Bluejay is a member of two very high-IQ societies, and he is a PhD candidate in computer science, so he's asking to learn, not to challenge. Okay, it's sometimes very difficult for me to tell. Every time I think I have heard all the theories about what causes some people to be gay (and I have probably heard THOUSANDS by now) a new one pops up. Some sound so silly to me that I sometimes assume the person asking is not being serious. But IMO, trying to figure out why some heterosexuals are attracted to blonds more than brunettes or vice versa or why some people are gay, would be almost impossible to do. Could be different reasons for different people, but none of them are "choices". And different gays have different tastes in who they are attracted to as well. Who can figure this stuff out? IMO, it's all a combination of many factors and is mainly set by a very young age, perhaps before the age five or six and can even change a bit from there too. But perhaps the main factor is they way one is born, which the identical twin study seems to indicate, when such are compared to fraternal twins. If one is gay of an identical twin, the other is most likely to be gay too (but not 100% of the time). However, with fraternal twins, the odds are very low of both being gay, just because one is. And in the few rare cases where identical twins were separated at birth, the odds did NOT change. If one was gay, so was the other, in these few cases. -Don-
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Post by dontom on Dec 2, 2012 23:02:43 GMT -5
Antti, Don is a gay Vietnam vet, so he would know of such issues. Make that "gay Vietnam combat vet". I wouldn't want anybody to think I was a REMF! And don't forget what happened to Ho Chi Minh the very same day I arrived in Vietnam! -Don-
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Post by bluejay77 on Dec 2, 2012 23:10:38 GMT -5
Don, I agree with Denny. Bluejay is a member of two very high-IQ societies, and he is a PhD candidate in computer science, so he's asking to learn, not to challenge. I did not say that I knew nothing about homosexuality -- I only said that I have no first-hand knowledge of the phenomenon -- I never in my life have personally known a homosexual. All I know is based on books, magazines, etc.
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Post by dontom on Dec 2, 2012 23:15:11 GMT -5
Don, I agree with Denny. Bluejay is a member of two very high-IQ societies, and he is a PhD candidate in computer science, so he's asking to learn, not to challenge. Means nothing to me. This is NOT directed at Bluejay or anybody in this forum, but IMAO, some of the dumbest people I have ever met had very high IQ's and were very well educated. IOW, most people are smart in some ways and stupid in other ways, regardless of their IQ and education. I am no exception to this either. Because: "When you don't have an education, you've got to use your brains." --Anonymous "You can lead a boy to college, but you cannot make him think." --Elbert Hubbard -Don Quoteman
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Post by dontom on Dec 2, 2012 23:26:48 GMT -5
I never in my life have personally known a homosexual. What part of the world do you live in? I didn't think anybody could go through so much college to get a Ph.D. and not run into any open gays. At least not in the USA these days. Unless you're a lot older than I am . . . . from back when most gays were still in the closet. However, I am now in San Francisco, and lived in this area all of my life, so this might not be a fair comparison to the rest of the world. -Don-
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Post by bluejay77 on Dec 2, 2012 23:29:19 GMT -5
Don, I agree with Denny. Bluejay is a member of two very high-IQ societies, and he is a PhD candidate in computer science, so he's asking to learn, not to challenge. Means nothing to me. This is NOT directed at Bluejay or anybody in this forum, but IMAO, some of the dumbest people I have ever met had very high IQ's and were very well educated. IOW, most people are smart in some ways and stupid in other ways, regardless of their IQ and education. -Don Quoteman I have seen that an individual can be of a high IQ and well educated, and anyway a complete pile of delta sierra as a person. Well I have seen people with very high IQ's who did not seem to be particularly bright -- but they were very addicted to puzzles, quizzes, and all sorts of "intelligent" toys. But I have never seen a person with a high IQ who would have been clearly stupid, however. www.hut.fi/~ajy/
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Post by dontom on Dec 2, 2012 23:56:10 GMT -5
I have seen that an individual can be of a high IQ and well educated, and anyway a complete pile of delta sierra as a person. Well I have seen people with very high IQ's who did not seem to be particularly bright -- but they were very addicted to puzzles, quizzes, and all sorts of "intelligent" toys. But I have never seen a person with a high IQ who would have been clearly stupid, however. Yep. You knew what I was talking about. Often the high IQ seems to come with countless emotional problems. But not always. I think the most intelligent person I ever met was a woman (employed as a doctor in Alabama) and nobody would doubt her intelligence. She seemed very stable except for the fact that she was a Christian religious fanatic. But I didn't even know that when we first met. Are you a Mensa member? If so, you might even know her. Tom & I met her when she was in the SF area to take some medical test for something or other, but I knew her on line from the Mensa Forum on Compuserve well before then. Anyway, I am happy to just be an average dummy (or somewhere near average), IQ wise. BTW, nobody in this world knows my IQ, not even me. I can't say I think they are always meaningful anyway. -Dummy Don
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