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Post by Swampy on Mar 23, 2013 10:17:45 GMT -5
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Mar 23, 2013 14:09:07 GMT -5
Swampy - Believe it or not most airports in the US do not have operational control towers. Many of the towers that are scheduled to close are just money pits, paying overaged controlers big money to sit around drinking coffee and playing cards between aircraft arrivals. When these towers close, pilots flying into them will abide by the Non-towered rules - ie Announce your position on the radio, listen to others as they do the same, and, for once, stop looking at the TV screen and look out the window! Been going on since the Wright brothers flew at Kill Devil Hills (not Kitty Hawk).
PS. 'Member back when Regan fired 30,000 air Traffic controlers? No increase in aircraft accidents....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 15:35:33 GMT -5
One of the towers is in my home town here in Texas. Six controllers will be laid off unless the town figures out a way to pay them and right now it doesn't look good. The local paper has expressed a concern that safety will be threatened without controllers and since we are only about 40 miles from a major airport (Austin) and had 68,000 flights out of here last year, I tend to agree. Also the fact that we are only about four miles from the airport doesn't make me happy.
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Mar 23, 2013 17:22:23 GMT -5
Denny, if you are only 40 miles from Austin, there is no reason that Austin can't control your airspace also - Prolly need a couple of extra controlers to handle the extra workload, but it would be cheaper than keeping your tower open. Ground control will have to be up to the pilots themselves, but not more dangerous than you driving on an interstate without controlers....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 17:56:22 GMT -5
Small airport abound around this great Country , pilots know how to contact one another , will there be acciedents of course anything man made or humanly operated is never full proof , but put aside you fears and think of the thills of flying .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 18:05:46 GMT -5
Denny, if you are only 40 miles from Austin, there is no reason that Austin can't control your airspace also - Prolly need a couple of extra controlers to handle the extra workload, but it would be cheaper than keeping your tower open. Ground control will have to be up to the pilots themselves, but not more dangerous than you driving on an interstate without controlers.... I'm not at all familiar with flight control and airports and such things. We are about 40 miles north of Austin, as I said, and another tower that is being closed is in San Marcos, about 40 miles south of Austin. Both airports have primarily served as secondary airports for Austin as well as GA. I think what would worry me is the vast majority of small plane owners who may not be as safety conscious without a controller as they would be with one. I understand that some common sense should dictate safety but common sense is frequently in little supply.
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Post by mcnoch on Mar 23, 2013 18:10:13 GMT -5
The USA has the big advantage that it normally has very well trained pilots with a high ratio of former airline or military pilots. So even on airports with more commercial air traffic this can be handled very professional by the pilots. I'm sure that the FAA knew very well where the dangerous locations are and where not and will act accordingly. The biggest impact will be that the number of starts/landings per hour will be reduced to the different rule-set, but many of the smaller airports are not so maxed out like LAX.
Will the pilots have to pay only a reduced airport-fee for the reduced service?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 20:05:00 GMT -5
Flying in Vietnam except around the big base's it was all by sight , AC took 12-2 , Gunner took 2-5 , Pilot took 12-10 Crew Chief took 10 -7 , 6 was directly to the rear no one could see that , traffic was busy so you heard a lot of 5, 4 , 11 , 8 and so on . ah the good old days and the fun , the fun don't you remember the fun ? .
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Mar 23, 2013 20:46:41 GMT -5
Most pilots don't pay anything to airports. Some airports do charge landing fees, but that is not based on services provided, but on how much the airport owner thinks he can charge without loosing trafic to airports that do not charge. Most Air Trafic Expenses are paid for by taxes on Aviation Fuel, though Obama has been talking about charging for ATC services. This has been successgfully defeated in congress thus far.
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Post by mcnoch on Mar 24, 2013 3:09:59 GMT -5
Most pilots don't pay anything to airports. That is a different model to the one in Germany then. Here you pay for registering your flight, for starting and landing. Taxes on Aviation fuel and aircrafts is used also.
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Mar 24, 2013 9:45:32 GMT -5
Most pilots don't pay anything to airports. That is a different model to the one in Germany then. Here you pay for registering your flight, for starting and landing. Taxes on Aviation fuel and aircrafts is used also. One of the benefits of living in a welfare state - everything is taxed...
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Post by mcnoch on Mar 24, 2013 10:17:14 GMT -5
Germany produced in 2010 with its 82 mio inhabitants a total tax yield of 545.527 mio€ or 6.653 €/person. With an exchange-rate of 1:1.3 this is 8.649 US$/person. The USA produced in 2010 with its 309 mio inhabitants a total tax yield of 2,332,754 mioUS$ or 7550 US$/person. But I'm not sure whether the local state taxes are already included in this total, as I got the number from the IRS.
So, yes, we pay more taxes in Germany, but if you have to add local taxes, the gap in taxation might be smaller than anticipated.
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Post by Swampy on Mar 24, 2013 10:42:39 GMT -5
But cost of living in Germany is higher than the US, from what I've been told, so the German tax burden produces a bigger bite.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2013 14:13:33 GMT -5
I would hazard a guess that the difference between where I live in Texas and where I lived in Germany, is at least five times higher in Germany. I would further say that the COL here is much lower than 90% of other relatively urbanized areas of the states. It's hard to beat the value of what we have here in central Texas.
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Post by Sir John on Mar 24, 2013 14:17:16 GMT -5
I get a regular WalMart email, and it is clear to me that as a rough guide things cost 25% less in the US than in OZ.
SJ
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