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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 8:10:40 GMT -5
in '69 percentage wise it had to be 35-38% , because in '69 we were still maintaining 500,000 in the Vietnam theater .
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Post by Sir John on Jun 15, 2013 19:23:06 GMT -5
"While we're busy counting up Americans available what was the rest of SEATO doing ?"
I don't think for sure that SEATO was ever invoked in the VN conflict, but I do think ANZUS.
SJ
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Post by Swampy on Jun 15, 2013 19:26:13 GMT -5
Thailand should have helped, and I think it did. I wonder if the Philippines contributed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 19:30:43 GMT -5
S.Korea . Thailand , OZ , Kiwi , Philippines and others , S.Korea sent 2 ids Thailand a Battalion , OZ a Brigade , Philippines a Battalion , Kiwi ? .
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Post by Sir John on Jun 15, 2013 19:42:03 GMT -5
We had to re-introduce conscription in order to get the numbers up. I think we had about 8000 max at any one time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 20:03:37 GMT -5
Yes OZ had a re-enforced Brigade stationed at Bein Hoa later relocated , not sure , my unit served with them during a Brigade push ( attack ) for one lift , it takes a lot of Huey's to move a brigade during an attack , our reward was a great big can of Fosters , warm but not bad .
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Jun 15, 2013 20:29:51 GMT -5
You can count soldiers all you want, there were other means to deny the use of the Ho Chi Minh Trail without actually occupying the ground with troops.
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Post by Swampy on Jun 15, 2013 20:30:58 GMT -5
You can count soldiers all you want, there were other means to deny the use of the Ho Chi Minh Trail without actually occupying the ground with troops. If you're thinking of bombing, that can only work so far. Ultimately, you'd have to go in and engage the enemy. And not just in Laos and Cambodia but also in North Vietnam.
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Jun 15, 2013 20:35:05 GMT -5
You can count soldiers all you want, there were other means to deny the use of the Ho Chi Minh Trail without actually occupying the ground with troops. If you're thinking of bombing, that can only work so far. Ultimately, you'd have to go in and engage the enemy. And not just in Laos and Cambodia but also in North Vietnam. If you want to defeat the enemy - yes. if you want to deny him the use of territory the use of intelligence assets and air assets can be effective...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 20:41:17 GMT -5
The BIG problem with HO's trail is it was a series of trails it is convenient to think of it in the singular but it was not .
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Post by Swampy on Jun 15, 2013 20:41:20 GMT -5
Air power alone cannot defeat the enemy - you also need boots on the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 21:02:01 GMT -5
Bing : diggers in Vietnam , is interesting .
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Post by dontom on Jun 15, 2013 23:43:13 GMT -5
The BIG problem with HO's trail is it was a series of trails it is convenient to think of it in the singular but it was not . And many working on it at all times, including many, if not mostly, women.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Post by Sir John on Jun 16, 2013 0:32:59 GMT -5
One thing I could never understand is that the US in particular, but maybe all of them, would go into an area or a village and flush out all the VC etc and then soon after simply return to their base.
The VC and NVs all knew this, and they went bush for a few days until the US etc left, and then returned to the area and continued on as before.
That is what I gathered from what I read of it at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 9:08:27 GMT -5
SJ , the VC an NVA were the objective not the area or village , wipe 'em out come back in a week or so wipe some more out , after tet it became a body count war .
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