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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 18:13:48 GMT -5
Although I did not see the program my understanding from the news coverage is that Obama said he wouldn't meet with Putin because Putin wouldn't hand over Eric Snowden. If I'm incorrect please advise me. Otherwise, I just had to laugh because my take is that Putin doesn't want to waste a few or several days with Obama anyway. Putin probably laughed and felt a sense of relief when he heard the Obama meeting was on the outs. How would YOU like to spend a few days with Obama? I can't even stand to hear him speak on TV, although I occasionally watch his speeches anyway. My reason? Know your enemy. Poke fun at Obama if you like but he's a very dangerous man, just like somebody in a crowd holding a bucket of gasoline and a cigarette lighter is a dangerous man. Only problem is, Obama is well on the way to destroying America's economy and has become a serious threat to our freedom. He did NOT state that he would not meet Putin because of the Snowden affair but I don't think there is anyone who doesn't believe that is a, if not THE, major reason. If you think that Putin was either relieved or just laughed, you know nothing about international politics. As to the rest of your comments, many on this forum feel the same way. Occasionally, I do as well although I'm not as fanatical as many are. Your last comment of he becoming a serious threat to our freedom is "cry wolf" at best. Whether you agree with his policies or not, there is nothing to which I can attribute to him that he personally has endangered the US. I've always felt that if the political situation were reversed, say a Republican was in office, that liberals would be attacking him for many of the same reasons that Obama is being attacked. It's an age old game, everybody plays and when their party isn't in power, then the other party is to blame for everything that is wrong.
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Post by hornet32 on Aug 17, 2013 18:26:32 GMT -5
Snowden is a gleam in Putin's eye he knows Obama will give up most anything to say I got Snowden .
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Post by Swampy on Aug 17, 2013 18:41:36 GMT -5
I've been wondering if Snowden is a double-agent, planted to give misleading information to the enemy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 8:19:18 GMT -5
I've been wondering if Snowden is a double-agent, planted to give misleading information to the enemy. Oh PLEASE! You've gone to too many movies, read too many novels.
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Post by greg on Aug 19, 2013 19:17:45 GMT -5
I think you are correct, Greg. But Russia is in no position to play games with the US - remember what happened the first time around? The geopolitical situation has changed vastly in the last several years. One cannot think of the FSR except in any terms equivalent to a new country, a new player with different politics and a different strategy. Putin's current game (the last few years) reminds me of a Saturday Night Live skit (recurring theme), "Quien es mas macho?" ("Who is most masculine?"). So getting back to the point, with US and Russia there is no first time around. This is a different Russia. This is realpolitik. That was then, this is now, and nothing matters except now. Russia is in every position to play games with the US, as most recently evidenced by ignoring US demands to arrest and render Eric Snowden, and Putin told Obama (in essence, "go F yourself."). Russia is in a great position to play games with the US.
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Post by greg on Aug 19, 2013 19:18:33 GMT -5
Greg, "Only problem is, Obama is well on the way to destroying America's economy and has become a serious threat to our freedom." I am convinced he has finished the job, all that is left is for the thing to play out to the conclusion. SJ It's not over until it's over, and it ain't over yet.
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Post by Swampy on Aug 19, 2013 19:24:08 GMT -5
Well, Greg, the same can be said of Germany during the two World Wars - they were very different, but they were yet very similar. The point is that the country controlled by Moscow tried once to compete and came off worse, losing territory; now, a very much smaller country - but still very similar - may be trying the same, with vastly smaller resources and confronting a vastly greater coalition, which means it will lose again.
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Post by greg on Aug 19, 2013 19:35:18 GMT -5
Whether you agree with his policies or not, there is nothing to which I can attribute to him that he personally has endangered the US. I'm not speaking to Obama and his personal contributions. His government policy is leading America into a financial collapse. Anybody with accounting skills (including the CBO) can predict that America is headed for disaster unless we alter America's fiscal policy. I've always felt that if the political situation were reversed, say a Republican was in office, that liberals would be attacking him for many of the same reasons that Obama is being attacked. It's an age old game, everybody plays and when their party isn't in power, then the other party is to blame for everything that is wrong. And that's what's wrong with partisan politics. They get a team spirit where they are "for our side" and "against the other side" and they forget that they should be both on the side of saving America. I think the Obamacare fallout best illustrates this. Even the Democrats are backing down off their policy, while at the same time both parties are focused on exempting Congressional employees and Congress, while the IRS is lobbying to exempt IRS employees from Obamacare. So it appears that government (Obama's administration) has created a health program monster, and now Congress and the IRS are trying to get out of it while sticking it to the rest of America. Maybe the Republicans would have created some monster policy and they try to make it apply to everybody else but them... But they didn't.
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Post by greg on Aug 19, 2013 19:39:52 GMT -5
Snowden is a gleam in Putin's eye he knows Obama will give up most anything to say I got Snowden . Putin will not render Snowden irrespective of what Obama says. He knows that Obama is fully occupied with defending Obamacare and trying to (ineffectually) rescue the US economy. Putin is operating in a political sphere outside of Obama's influence. He's free to tell Obama anything, and his latest message is "FO."
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Post by greg on Aug 19, 2013 19:47:18 GMT -5
Well, Greg, the same can be said of Germany during the two World Wars - they were very different, but they were yet very similar. The point is that the country controlled by Moscow tried once to compete and came off worse, losing territory; now, a very much smaller country - but still very similar - may be trying the same, with vastly smaller resources and confronting a vastly greater coalition, which means it will lose again. Yeah, but Russia was Communist in WWII, and arguably now Russia is capitalist, or some strange blend of government influenced (graft) capitalism. Today's Russia cannot be compared to the FSR or USSR. They've adopted the realpolitik. They don't have any idealism now. Now only money maters, money is power, and like they say: "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely." Russia is a corrupt nation but they have no reason to kiss America's ass. They're going on their own, corruption and a version of capitalism and gangsterism and organized crime, but it's working for them. Putin told Obama to "FO" and Obama has no comeback.
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Post by Swampy on Aug 19, 2013 20:46:35 GMT -5
I'm not denying the fact that Russia is very different from the SU, but Russia is in a weaker position than the SU in fighting the US.
I think we agree, but we're saying the same thing differently.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 20:57:19 GMT -5
I know the Obama nationality has been discussed many times but I still cannot understand how a baby with an Indonesian citizen father could become a US citizen. I realise that his US citizen mother gave birth in the US however a baby usually takes the nationality of the father.
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Post by hornet32 on Aug 19, 2013 21:10:40 GMT -5
Ted Cruz was born in Canada had an American mom Canadian dad he has dual citizenship , it was reported yesterday that Cruz did renounce his Canadian citizenship . Planning on a Presidential run I suppose .
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Post by greg on Aug 19, 2013 21:44:30 GMT -5
I'm not denying the fact that Russia is very different from the SU, but Russia is in a weaker position than the SU in fighting the US. I think we agree, but we're saying the same thing differently. Russia has a smaller territory than the FSU/USSR but if not the same number of nukes at least enough for MAD. The game hasn't changed except that there are capitalist or organized crime elements in the present. Just ask yourself, how many nukes did the US have then vs. now, and how many nukes does RU have then vs. now. And don't even ask how many nukes Iran has...
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Post by greg on Aug 19, 2013 21:50:00 GMT -5
I know the Obama nationality has been discussed many times but I still cannot understand how a baby with an Indonesian citizen father could become a US citizen. I realise that his US citizen mother gave birth in the US however a baby usually takes the nationality of the father. Look at this, this is my hand holding a twinkling object... As I raise my hand your eyes follow the twinkling object, not my hand. That's just silly to bring up the Obama citizenship issue at this late date. If the issue had any go it would have manifested in 2008. That just didn't happen and you're delusional that you expect that suddenly Obama will be declared "not a US natural born citizen" and ousted. It won't happen. If it would have happened it would have been in 2008-2009. So let's just push this rock back into the swamp and forget about it. Ain't gonna happen.
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