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Post by dontom on Feb 9, 2014 21:09:33 GMT -5
I would like to introduce here that which mathematicians and computer scientists call *autoepistemic logic*. There, the following symbols (among others) are used: being X believes the statement P == B(P) being X knows the statement P == K(P) With as simple repertoire of math as the above quite interesting points can be said: B(P) ==> B(B(P)) (if the being X believes P, then he/she/it believes that he believes P) K(P) ==> B(P) (if X is sensible. But how about Creationists who KNOW that the universe is some 13.7 billion years old, and BELIEVE that it was created some 6000 years ago, on a September Saturday morning......) B(P) NOT==> K(P) Many individuals make this mistake: if one believes P then it does definitely not follow that he/she/it KNOWS P! Much of religion is based on skillful misuse of this fallacy....... The Wikipedia contains an article on autoepistemic logic, but I won't recommend it. It is all too technical and full of professional jargon. I would write here an introduction but I do not any more have my student years' papers at hand. Finally I remark that I wrote about these points to my US acquaintances, and they liked that discussion. AJY You don't need a complicated formula to understand the simple fact that religion is superstitious nonsense. All that is required is: Religion=superstitious nonsense. Quite simple, isn't it? -Don- (in still rainy SSF, CA <I think our drought is already over!> |
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Post by dontom on Feb 9, 2014 21:12:08 GMT -5
My faith is my approach to God my religion is the avenue to that approach , my faith teaches me tolerance towards the lesser . I don't believe in faith. What purpose does faith serve other than to take people away from the truth? I will take truth over faith any day. -Don- SSF, CA |
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Post by hornet32 on Feb 9, 2014 21:18:38 GMT -5
You are the reason my faith teaches me to have tolerance .
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Post by dontom on Feb 10, 2014 0:18:29 GMT -5
You are the reason my faith teaches me to have tolerance . Could that be why . . . "I have seen gross intolerance shown in support of tolerance."
--Samuel Taylor ColeridgeBesides that . . . "No man has a right in America to treat any other man "tolerantly" for tolerance is the assumption of superiority. Our liberties are equal rights of every citizen."
--Wendell L. Willkie
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Post by dry on Feb 10, 2014 0:27:43 GMT -5
I would like to introduce here that which mathematicians and computer scientists call *autoepistemic logic*. There, the following symbols (among others) are used: being X believes the statement P == B(P) being X knows the statement P == K(P) With as simple repertoire of math as the above quite interesting points can be said: B(P) ==> B(B(P)) (if the being X believes P, then he/she/it believes that he believes P) K(P) ==> B(P) (if X is sensible. But how about Creationists who KNOW that the universe is some 13.7 billion years old, and BELIEVE that it was created some 6000 years ago, on a September Saturday morning......) B(P) NOT==> K(P) Many individuals make this mistake: if one believes P then it does definitely not follow that he/she/it KNOWS P! Much of religion is based on skillful misuse of this fallacy....... The Wikipedia contains an article on autoepistemic logic, but I won't recommend it. It is all too technical and full of professional jargon. I would write here an introduction but I do not any more have my student years' papers at hand. Finally I remark that I wrote about these points to my US acquaintances, and they liked that discussion. AJY You don't need a complicated formula to understand the simple fact that religion is superstitious nonsense. All that is required is: Religion=superstitious nonsense. Quite simple, isn't it? -Don- (in still rainy SSF, CA <I think our drought is already over!> Oh yes; almost all religion is superstitious crap; I merely wanted to write scientific grounds why it is such crap. |
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Post by Swampy on Feb 10, 2014 2:02:37 GMT -5
DrY, Dontom, and Hornet32 - a love triangle.
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Post by hornet32 on Feb 10, 2014 12:26:11 GMT -5
Don must be afraid of faith as he spends so much time trying to put it down .
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Post by hornet32 on Feb 10, 2014 16:05:54 GMT -5
Love triangle ? swampy you sure you're in the right forum , you might want to join don and Tom now that would be an interesting love triangle .
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Post by dontom on Feb 10, 2014 21:39:14 GMT -5
Don must be afraid of faith as he spends so much time trying to put it down . No, I am not afraid of superstitious nonsense at all. The reason I spend so much time on it, is because I just cannot understand how so many well educated & intelligent adults can believe, without any doubt, such obvious and childish superstitious nonsense as any of the countless religions in this world. Perhaps you can explain it to me. The only logical conclusion I can come to is that it is a very common emotional or mental disease. So common, it's almost the norm in many areas of this world. But the fact that it is common is not evidence of it not being a disease. What else could it be? Perhaps truth? If so, which religion is true? IMO, even the word "religion" means it is false. Or else it would be considered fact. Same with the word "superstition". In fact, religion is a type of superstition. "Superstition" means an unproven, unscientific force. A religion is an unproven, unscientific creator (which is still an unproven force). Therefore, "religion" is simply a type of "superstition" that requires no facts, evidence or truth. Such only requires faith, and faith mainly serves to take people away from the truth when they don't like what the truth says. Truth isn't perfect. Just real, unlike nonsense based on faith alone. -Don- SSF, CA |
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Post by hornet32 on Feb 10, 2014 22:27:46 GMT -5
Faith helps you deal with truth , what is truth ? what I say or what you say ? .
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Post by dontom on Feb 11, 2014 1:19:47 GMT -5
Faith helps you deal with truth , what is truth ? what I say or what you say ? . Truth is truth no matter who says what. "Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self-sustained."
-Mahatma GandhiAnd likewise, superstitious nonsense is superstitious nonsense and such has no standing, no matter who says what. -Don Quoteman SSF, CA |
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Post by dry on Apr 1, 2014 17:54:15 GMT -5
Faith helps you deal with truth , what is truth ? what I say or what you say ? . Truth is truth no matter who says what. "Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self-sustained."
-Mahatma GandhiAnd likewise, superstitious nonsense is superstitious nonsense and such has no standing, no matter who says what. -Don Quoteman SSF, CA Perhaps it is simply the huge force of tradition and common habits and practices. Analogously: Why are most transistors used in electronics circuits the NPN type? There is no reason for that at all, to my knowledge. They simply ARE, that's all that there is to it. (Originally, I was told that they were NPN transistors so that we could imitate and be compatible with some valve technology. That practice has remained, and won't go away, even if there are no rational grounds for it any more.) I recall a story about a dog who had the habit of running after cars and barking at them. One day, in one street, the dog was hit by a car. He was capable of learning by experience -- he continued running after and barking at cars, but he never went to that same street again. Dr Y |
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Post by dry on Apr 18, 2014 5:40:51 GMT -5
DrY, Dontom, and Hornet32 - a love triangle. Hornet finally was uncovered and he started writing about "the German Teutonic mind set was/is power"...... We have become a tragical trilogy. |
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Post by dry on Apr 29, 2014 14:31:49 GMT -5
Here comes a family tree of religions. This one comes from the Mensa. Dr Y  |
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Post by dry on Apr 30, 2014 6:38:54 GMT -5
First I note that the system indeed does run on bravo sierra -- and therefore BS is money, in the modern world. And that seems, to me, to be the reason why Hornet is so rich -- quite as he said here. Hornet was right! Bullshit IS money! One of the first entries to the alt.politics.org.CIA newsgroup I wrote, in the beginning of the 1990's, concerned the Jewish Kabbalah. I mentioned to the ppl in the newsgroup some Continental European Kabbalah books. Their answer was an entry about "Mystical Forces and National Security." Indeed, modern mystical and fake-religious forces constitute a threat to the US national security -- eg. fanatical Islam is a "mystical force", and so is the Catholic Christianity that has some 2'000'000'000 adherents and which so vividly reminds me of what Dontom has written about superstitious religion. And, in addition, I would like to mention some heretical European Freemasonic sects. So, today I visited the local mystical New Age fake-religion shop right in the middle of Helsinki, next to the Diana park, their address is: Unio Mystica Yrjönkatu 8, 00120 HELSINKI tel. +358 9 680 1659 www.uniomystica.fiwww.delfiini.fiinfo@delfiini.fi Sapienti sat. Dr Y |
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