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Post by boxcar on Oct 2, 2012 9:41:23 GMT -5
Our grateful illegal immigrants.
Gov . Jerry Brown may have approved a bill allowing some illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses, but it wasn't good enough for some immigrant advocates.
Instead of cheering the bill, they said Monday it was an easy choice for Brown and blasted his vetoes of other measures that would have expanded the rights of nannies and housecleaners and protected some illegal immigrants from deportation.
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Post by Swampy on Oct 2, 2012 9:47:00 GMT -5
How can the Governor of California protect anyone from deportation??? That's a federal matter.
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Post by boxcar on Oct 2, 2012 15:13:31 GMT -5
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Post by mcnoch on Oct 2, 2012 15:44:48 GMT -5
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Post by boxcar on Oct 2, 2012 19:15:45 GMT -5
One has to be careful where one picks up the news. Some of our outlets are BIASED.
30% of out jails are filled with illegal aliens. This figure is way out of proportion to the total number of illegals in this country. This is why we are very fussy anymore about admitting your “tired and your poor”.
Our overall medical expenses have been jacked up because of the illegals trying for free medical attention. I am talking billions of dollars here.
Likewise, our education expenses have risen because of teaching “English as a Second Language” to students that don’t want to learn.
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Post by boxcar on Oct 2, 2012 19:59:56 GMT -5
Example Polls:
Wall Street Journal/NBC News, December 1998:
72% feel "immigration should not increase because it will cost U.S. jobs and increase unemployment."
Wirthlin Worldwide, August 1997
53% of all Americans think immigration should be decreased.
Horatio Alger Association, August 1996:
67% of teens feel legal immigration to the U.S. should be reduced.
Wall Street Journal's American Opinion Survey, December 1996 72% of all Americans favor lowering immigration.
Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, March 1996 52% of adult Americans favor establishing a five-year ban on ALL legal and illegal immigration into the United States.
NPG/Roper Poll, February 1996:
83% of Americans favor a lower level of immigration.
70% want immigration reduced to 300,000 annually.
20% want to halt all immigration.
USA Today/Gallup, July 1995
65% of Americans thought that the level of immigration should be decreased.
61% of immigrants favored a national identity ID card
CBS News/New York Times, September 1995:
63% of Americans think immigration levels were too high.
66% of Republicans want less immigration.
60% of Democrats want less immigration.
Opinion Research Corporation, July 1995
63% thought that our immigration policy is too generous.
CBS News/New York Times, September 1994
63% of Americans thought that the level of immigration should be decreased, including 66% of Republicans, 60% of Democrats, and 64% of independents.
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Post by boxcar on Oct 2, 2012 20:06:27 GMT -5
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a burglar an uninvited house guest.
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Post by mcnoch on Oct 3, 2012 8:32:44 GMT -5
What you always forget in your calculation of what the immigrants costs you is what increase in productivity they bring. Without cheap labor in the USA even more work have been transfered to other countries and the immigrants spend the money they earn in the USA and so spread the productivity into the complete system. In Germany we have the problem that many of the immigrants spend only a minimum of money but transfer most to their home countries.
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Post by boxcar on Oct 3, 2012 11:56:42 GMT -5
>>What you always forget in your calculation of what the immigrants costs you is what increase in productivity<<
Here in Missouri we have little or no illegal immigrants because we don’t cater to them. The menial tasks get done by the local population and that results in 100% of the money earned is spent locally and not shipped off to Mexico.
How is Germany doing with their Muslim population. Are they behaving themselves? In France it seems they get out of hand on occasion.
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Post by mcnoch on Oct 3, 2012 12:32:33 GMT -5
The problems with the Turkish, Italian and East-European communities diminished since the better education helped to open new job opportunities. We still have some hot spots with high unemployment and no hope, but that is not centered around ethnic groups but on those clusters of people with no real education and no will to change their situation, so this is hitting Germans as well. We would love to see menial tasks get done by the local population too, but they don't want to do that, so we invent mashines to do their work instead. Germans don’t like open revolutions as much as our French or South-European neighbors. Best example is the “revolution” that lead to the German reunification. In other countries demonstrations of angry moms about some new playgrounds are more violent.  Kurt Tucholsky said, that due to bad weather the German Revolution happened in the music instead. |
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Post by Sir John on Oct 4, 2012 17:38:41 GMT -5
matthias,
Just a hypothetical question, which i doubt would come to pass.
What would happen to all the Euro people that are living and working in another Euro country if the Euro broke up? Is that covered in the Maarstrict? Treaty?
SJ
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Post by mcnoch on Oct 5, 2012 3:36:15 GMT -5
SJ,
Sorry, but I don't understand your question. The right of domicile is not connected to the Euro currency, it existed even long before.
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Post by Sir John on Oct 5, 2012 4:01:23 GMT -5
Sorry,
I should have used the term EU not Euro.
If the EURO zone broke up, it may well infect the entire concept of the EU and thus the people now spread all over the various EU countries.
Strictly hypothetical of course.
SJ
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Post by mcnoch on Oct 5, 2012 4:35:18 GMT -5
The right of domicile is part of the multilateral European treaties since 1957, long before the EU or its earlier incorporations existed. The EU has just detailed this right in the following treaties. And even if the EU would fall apart - no longer in danger - there are a number of multilateral treaties in place that would regulate this. They would have to be updated as they were no longer used, but there is no gap and no problem.
The Euro wouldn't kill the EU, it is just a currency system. There were some weeks of crisis where you could hear a lot of voices to stop the EU, etc.. but this crisis has passed as the people have understood what the crisis is really about and what not. The over-simplification of some politicians made this crisis possible, but this is not what the majority wanted and so these voices have more or less disappeared from public view. German TV ZDF was airing some days ago a political talk-show with one guest voicing such opinions. All people were shocked a bit, especially as just some months ago this was in some larger parts of the society acceptable. The debate following this clearly showed that this is now a radical position without public support. It took long enough for the politicians to agree on the path for the future but we are now on this path and with public support. The protests we still see in Southern Europe are more ventilations of frustration. Unemployment rates of 25% and higher for young people due to an over-protection of the older people is a serious issue, that was fixed, but it will take quite some time to take effect. And the opinion about the politicians and their performance is seriously negative, so in many countries the usual politicians were replaced by experts (technocrats) to make the necessary changes without the political power-plays.
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Post by Swampy on Oct 5, 2012 8:23:21 GMT -5
I think they should break up the Euro - let Greece and Spain go back to their currency, and perhaps retain a core of Euro countries like France and Germany. Then, when everything is stabilized, and, when the Europeans have reformed their economies, notably to deal with labor rigidities, they can talk of a continent-wide currency again.
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