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Post by Swampy on Dec 3, 2012 2:19:53 GMT -5
Well, bluejay, I'm having a discussion about intelligence and IQ on the Mensa group on FB. We should start one here soon, but not now, because I have to prepare for this coming week's worth of work.
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Post by dontom on Dec 3, 2012 7:38:45 GMT -5
But I have never seen a person with a high IQ who would have been clearly stupid, however. I forgot to mention . . . that depends on how "stupid" is defined. If we don't use the very old "IQ" method for the standard, then we can see a lot of people with very high IQ's who are rather stupid when it comes to many of the more practical things in life. A lot of people with very high IQ's do a lot of very stupid things. And often believe in a lot of very obvious nonsense. And often don't even know how to live a decent life. For one example, take the criminal profile of a serial killer. Most often, the very first item on the list is "much higher than normal intelligence" <they mean IQ wise, of course>. Yet, we like to think of intelligence as a good thing. IMAO, "IQ" is the most overrated human characteristic there is. -Dummy Don |
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Post by bluejay77 on Dec 3, 2012 21:07:03 GMT -5
I have seen that an individual can be of a high IQ and well educated, and anyway a complete pile of delta sierra as a person. Well I have seen people with very high IQ's who did not seem to be particularly bright -- but they were very addicted to puzzles, quizzes, and all sorts of "intelligent" toys. But I have never seen a person with a high IQ who would have been clearly stupid, however. Yep. You knew what I was talking about. Often the high IQ seems to come with countless emotional problems. But not always. I think the most intelligent person I ever met was a woman (employed as a doctor in Alabama) and nobody would doubt her intelligence. She seemed very stable except for the fact that she was a Christian religious fanatic. But I didn't even know that when we first met. Are you a Mensa member? If so, you might even know her. Tom & I met her when she was in the SF area to take some medical test for something or other, but I knew her on line from the Mensa Forum on Compuserve well before then. Anyway, I am happy to just be an average dummy (or somewhere near average), IQ wise. BTW, nobody in this world knows my IQ, not even me. I can't say I think they are always meaningful anyway. -Dummy Don I'm a Mensa member, but a member of Mensa Finland. www.mensa.orgwww.mensa.fiEven psychologists and psychometricians argue about the IQ measurements, and their meaning, and their significance. |
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Post by bluejay77 on Dec 4, 2012 14:52:04 GMT -5
Despite the fact that he is obviously way overqualified for this forum, we won't hold that against him.  Don, on the other hand... I do not see myself as "over qualified for this forum". I see myself merely as one of the group of many participants, and not in any way "better" than anyone else. Why? I think that the UN Declaration of Human Rights says that all humans are born with equal rights, and more of that kind of thing. |
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Dec 4, 2012 15:38:18 GMT -5
Well... for on thing, bluejay....you speak (and write) much better English than any of us do, finnish....  Accept the complement - you won't get many of them around here. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 16:14:25 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks that a declaration of ANYTHING necessarily makes it so is delusional. Furthermore, anyone who thinks that all humans are equal has yet to define what equal is so I would have to disagree with that declaration. The fact that the UN made that declaration makes me scratch my head.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 18:11:45 GMT -5
I don't believe that a high IQ necessarily translates to practical common sense, and that people who have not attended university can often be broader in mind and problem solving generally.
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Post by bluejay77 on Dec 4, 2012 21:48:29 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks that a declaration of ANYTHING necessarily makes it so is delusional. Furthermore, anyone who thinks that all humans are equal has yet to define what equal is so I would have to disagree with that declaration. The fact that the UN made that declaration makes me scratch my head. I only intended to say that if I assumed that I were "better" than some other individuals then I would be violating a well-known principle. Of course a declaration of something is not a universal metaphysical law, certainly not. |
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Post by bluejay77 on Dec 4, 2012 22:31:56 GMT -5
But I have never seen a person with a high IQ who would have been clearly stupid, however. I forgot to mention . . . that depends on how "stupid" is defined. If we don't use the very old "IQ" method for the standard, then we can see a lot of people with very high IQ's who are rather stupid when it comes to many of the more practical things in life. A lot of people with very high IQ's do a lot of very stupid things. And often believe in a lot of very obvious nonsense. And often don't even know how to live a decent life. For one example, take the criminal profile of a serial killer. Most often, the very first item on the list is "much higher than normal intelligence" <they mean IQ wise, of course>. Yet, we like to think of intelligence as a good thing. IMAO, "IQ" is the most overrated human characteristic there is. -Dummy Don Well it is true that all "high-IQ" society members' magazines seem to contain surprising amounts of -- just plain crazy, insane crap. Such as "scientific" hypotheses and articles about how UFO's originated the life on Earth, and that kind of stuff. |
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Post by dontom on Dec 5, 2012 0:16:05 GMT -5
Well it is true that all "high-IQ" society members' magazines seem to contain surprising amounts of -- just plain crazy, insane crap. Such as "scientific" hypotheses and articles about how UFO's originated the life on Earth, and that kind of stuff. I am not a bit surprised. But as a Mensa forum member once explained to me, that people who have unusual high IQs are often unusual in many other ways as well, and having rather unusual beliefs are not an exception. But there when I mentioned the thing about serial killers usually having a high IQ, I got this reply there: "Of course a serial killer will have a high IQ. The dumb ones will get caught the first time." It took somebody with a higher IQ than mine to explain that to me. ;D -Don- SF, CA |
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Post by Swampy on Dec 5, 2012 0:24:38 GMT -5
Don, didn't you use to be active in the CompuServe Mensa forum?
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Post by dontom on Dec 5, 2012 1:51:50 GMT -5
Don, didn't you use to be active in the CompuServe Mensa forum? Yes, I will talk to anybody on-line. ;D -Don- |
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Post by Sir John on Dec 5, 2012 2:37:33 GMT -5
I wanted to join Mensa, but I failed the entrance exam.
SJ
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Post by Swampy on Dec 5, 2012 2:46:30 GMT -5
You have common sense, SJ, which most Mensans don't have.
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Post by dontom on Dec 5, 2012 3:55:15 GMT -5
I wanted to join Mensa, but I failed the entrance exam.SJ Think of it as a good thing! But it seems bluejay77 is very reasonable despite his high IQ. There are quite a few who are very good at puzzles who are stable and have common sense too. My main point is . . . just because a person has a high IQ, it doesn't necessarily mean they are more likely to be correct on anything other than figuring out a puzzle, when compared to the average dummy. OTOH, some things come up in real life that really are puzzles. -Average Dummy Don- |
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