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Post by Swampy on Dec 14, 2012 21:06:33 GMT -5
I'm sure he's saddened, but I'm not convinced his tears are real. As for the shooting, this will reignite the debates on gun control, but I'm not sure where I sit on this. |
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Post by Sir John on Dec 14, 2012 22:04:27 GMT -5
Will they give him an Oscar?
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Post by mcnoch on Dec 15, 2012 3:29:08 GMT -5
Every year about 30 000 people in the USA are killed by guns. In about two years you have as much victims as in the whole Vietnam War. Makes the Vietnam War look like peace.
But still many in the USA believe that the idea of being allowed to carry a gun is more important than all the lives taken unnecessarily. There are about 200 million weapons in the USA, not counting the military inventory. While the number of persons owning a gun is decreasing since a decade now, but the number of weapons is increasing because many people are hording weapons, clearly beyond any justified personal requirement. Weapons (or the power that comes with them) are attractive to people with psychological problems, so yes, it’s the person that kills not the weapon itself, but if you can’t keep the wrong persons away from guns then you have a problem. That is why the laws to restrict the access to weapons must be strictly limited to those who have a real, justified need and only the amount and kind they need.
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Dec 15, 2012 8:55:43 GMT -5
And who do we empower to make that determination?
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Post by mcnoch on Dec 15, 2012 9:11:54 GMT -5
We use here in Germany the "Ordnungsamt", which is responsible for the public safety. You need their licence to own or buy a weapon or ammunition and to carry a weapon.
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Dec 15, 2012 11:21:14 GMT -5
We use here in Germany the "Ordnungsamt", which is responsible for the public safety. You need their licence to own or buy a weapon or ammunition and to carry a weapon. Same here. Done by the county Sheriff. What more are you suggesting we do? |
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Post by mcnoch on Dec 15, 2012 12:20:24 GMT -5
Then you might need tighter rules who gets one. Here you must have a justified need to get one. Just "I want to be able to defend myself" is not enough here. To get one is the exception, not the rule.
You have to have your weapons secured in a special weapon lockers which might be inspected without advance notice by the office.
And honestly I can't imagine whic private person has a justified requirement to posses an MG or other military-grade equipment sold in the USA.
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Post by Swampy on Dec 15, 2012 15:40:46 GMT -5
The interesting thing is that, in all the shootings, this one and the one at Virginia Tech, there was no one who was armed and could take out the assailant. I wonder if there has been a massacre in which ONE other person had a firearm.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 16:20:33 GMT -5
I'm sure he's saddened, but I'm not convinced his tears are real. As for the shooting, this will reignite the debates on gun control, but I'm not sure where I sit on this. I think the tears were sincere. I know mine were. How could any father not feel the pain and sorry of such a tragedy? |
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Post by Sir John on Dec 15, 2012 16:41:38 GMT -5
Someone should tell him that the tear duct is on the inside of the eye, nearest to the nose.
SJ
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Post by mcnoch on Dec 16, 2012 1:18:56 GMT -5
The interesting thing is that, in all the shootings, this one and the one at Virginia Tech, there was no one who was armed and could take out the assailant. I wonder if there has been a massacre in which ONE other person had a firearm. I know you received SEAL-training and so feel ready to take out everyone with a pistol from 100 meters using your left hand ;D, but I doubt that 1.) any teacher would find it a good idea to bring a weapon into a school and 2.) it is extremely difficult to operate fire weapons in a crowded environment and hit only the right person. Hoe high do you judge the chance to survive for a teacher with a hand-gun to survive a confrontation with a shooter armed with an automatic military-grade rifle? Do you carry a gun when you walk into a court? In case a shooter wants to take revenge for an unfair sentence? |
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Post by Swampy on Dec 16, 2012 1:22:24 GMT -5
The interesting thing is that, in all the shootings, this one and the one at Virginia Tech, there was no one who was armed and could take out the assailant. I wonder if there has been a massacre in which ONE other person had a firearm. I know you received SEAL-training and so feel ready to take out everyone with a pistol from 100 meters using your left hand ;D, but I doubt that 1.) any teacher would find it a good idea to bring a weapon into a school and 2.) it is extremely difficult to operate fire weapons in a crowded environment and hit only the right person. Hoe high do you judge the chance to survive for a teacher with a hand-gun to survive a confrontation with a shooter armed with an automatic military-grade rifle? Good point, but I'm wondering if the anti-gun control advocates have a case where one person with a gun took out the bad guy. As for my SEAL training, that's mandatory for law school grads in Canada, so we can collect our fees. ;D Do you carry a gun when you walk into a court? In case a shooter wants to take revenge for an unfair sentence? Would anyone shoot a divorce lawyer? (Pause) Actually, skip the question. |
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Dec 16, 2012 8:33:27 GMT -5
Mathias, There is a slogan over here that is mostly true - it goes "When gun ownership becomes illegal, only the criminals will own guns". And depending on the protection of the police when you are confronted by an armed criminal is fine if the confrontation takes place inside the police station. Otherwise, the cops won't get there in time to help. Ask some of our Australian members what happened to the violent crime rate in Australia when gun control came into being. (Ever think that one reason schools are so frequently the victims of these sensless shootings is that the shooter is reasonably sure that there are no guns in schools?)
{full disclosure - I don't own a weapon and never will because I have a short temper and would not trust myself to carry a weapon}
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 9:38:49 GMT -5
Mathias, There is a slogan over here that is mostly true - it goes "When gun ownership becomes illegal, only the criminals will own guns". And depending on the protection of the police when you are confronted by an armed criminal is fine if the confrontation takes place inside the police station. Otherwise, the cops won't get there in time to help. Ask some of our Australian members what happened to the violent crime rate in Australia when gun control came into being. (Ever think that one reason schools are so frequently the victims of these sensless shootings is that the shooter is reasonably sure that there are no guns in schools?) {full disclosure - I don't own a weapon and never will because I have a short temper and would not trust myself to carry a weapon} Yay verily. I own a tiny .22 cal revolver that I bought to kill rattlers on my ranch in north TX, where I lived before moving to central TX. Other than that, I wouldn't have a gun. Over 23 years in the Army demonstrated to me the dangers of weapons on the human body. I've discovered over the years that those who have been in combat are FAR more concerned about those who never have been in the military. Unless you have been in combat, you don't have the appreciation for violence that military and ex-military have. I'm not a gun control advocate, I just don't think that everyone should have one. |
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Post by mcnoch on Dec 16, 2012 10:38:11 GMT -5
>>Self-Defence
What is with the mother of the shooter? She had five guns in her house, but none saved her life. The efficency of fire-weapons for self-defence purposes is much smaller than the marketing departments want you to believe. In most cases it is better to give the robber your money and keep your life than risking a shoot-out.
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