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Post by Swampy on Sept 14, 2022 1:56:53 GMT -5
SJ,
If religion is the number one scam, do you discount the miracles? What about the Miracle at Fatima? As for organized religion being a scam, perhaps, but so is Godless communism or Global Warming.
Over to you and Don.
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Post by Sir John on Sept 14, 2022 16:45:06 GMT -5
do you discount the miracles?
I certainly do!
No expert on Fatima, but the words of some religious fanatic brainwashed all her life is no recommendation. And as for the early miracles then all of those are renditions of an 'event' decades and more ago by equally religious fanatics in the 1st century are just as reliable. Loaves and fishes? Walking on water? Back from the dead? The resurrection? Most related decades after the claimed events and often from mouths to mouths.
Would get laughed out of court today.
Must go, off to K Mart to get a new BS Detector, my old one just fell to bits. (The only K mart I went into in the US was so quiet you could shoot a cannon down the walkway and not hurt any one.)
SJ
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Post by dontom on Sept 16, 2022 0:33:02 GMT -5
SJ, If religion is the number one scam, do you discount the miracles? What about the Miracle at Fatima? As for organized religion being a scam, perhaps, but so is Godless communism or Global Warming. Over to you and Don. It's very simple to figure out if miracles have really happened. If it sounds like BS, it is BS. The real problem is this world runs on BS. But I try to look at the bright side. BS is the one resource we will never run out of. It is everywhere. If we don't look for BS, it will come to us anyway. There is no escape from the BS. It's an endless supply. Two things are infinite. The universe and BS. But I am not so sure about the universe. -Don- Auburn, CA
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Post by Swampy on Sept 17, 2022 9:39:02 GMT -5
I'm outnumbered - time to talk about the financial crisis.
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Post by dontom on Sept 17, 2022 12:46:03 GMT -5
I'm outnumbered - time to talk about the financial crisis. Are you saying that you believe in some type of religious nonsense? -Don- Auburn, CA
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Post by Swampy on Sept 17, 2022 17:42:35 GMT -5
Are you saying that you believe in some type of religious nonsense? -Don- Auburn, CA Loaded question - I don't believe in religious nonsense; I believe in real religions.
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Post by dontom on Sept 18, 2022 0:34:02 GMT -5
Loaded question - I don't believe in religious nonsense; I believe in real religions. But "real religion" is an oxymoron. If you don't believe me, just ask SJ. -Don- Reno, NV
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Post by Swampy on Sept 22, 2022 3:43:19 GMT -5
The Miracle at Fatima is one example of a higher power. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the universe can contain an entity that is advanced enough to create us.
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Post by Sir John on Sept 22, 2022 10:46:46 GMT -5
Not just "us", but the heaven and the Earth and all living things, all in 6 days.
Just another creation theory used to try and explain the unexplainable. There are 100s of them all the way back to the Neanderthals.
SJ
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Post by dontom on Sept 22, 2022 13:39:45 GMT -5
The Miracle at Fatima is one example of a higher power. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the universe can contain an entity that is advanced enough to create us. See here."According to critics, the eyewitness testimony was actually a collection of inconsistent and contradictory accounts. Proposed alternative explanations include witnesses being deceived by their senses due to prolonged staring at the Sun and then seeing something unusual as expected.[6][7][8][9][10][11][12]"
-Don- Reno, NV
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Post by Swampy on Sept 23, 2022 10:00:13 GMT -5
Don,
In the first place, there was a skeptics underground that actively edited the Wikipaedia pages on the appropriate paranormal topics. In the second, the critics offered no proof for their explanation. In fact, if you read that page, there is a critic who said it didn't happen because the rest of the planet didn't see the sun dance in the sky - that is the paradigm driving the conclusion. The test of a miracle is that something impossible happened. If they say it couldn't have happened, then no miracle can be proven, and they have made their statement of faith.
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Post by dontom on Sept 23, 2022 10:40:57 GMT -5
Don, The test of a miracle is that something impossible happened. If they say it couldn't have happened, then no miracle can be proven, and they have made their statement of faith. It is a scientific fact that the impossible cannot happen. No faith required for science. Faith is only required for nonsense. Unlike scientific fact, faith requires neither facts, evidence nor truth. -Don- Reno, NV
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Post by Swampy on Sept 23, 2022 10:48:29 GMT -5
It is a scientific fact that the impossible cannot happen. No faith required for science. That's a statement of faith.
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Post by dontom on Sept 23, 2022 14:36:13 GMT -5
"That's a statement of faith." Scientific facts require the scientific method. No faith required--in fact, faith can get in the way of the facts. Faith only requires nonsense. A belief with no evidence of any type. At best, there are a few people with good imaginations who see whatever they wish to see. That doesn't make their nonsense any truer except to them. If you say atheism requires faith, I will agree 100%. We cannot know what is not knowable to us. There are things that humans are not capable of understanding. Just admit we don't know instead of using faith that we know what we cannot know. I don't believe in faith. I prefer the truth. Faith requires no truth at all. -Don- Reno, NV
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Post by Swampy on Sept 24, 2022 2:22:25 GMT -5
Once again, you said the impossible cannot happen, which is a statement of faith.
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