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Post by Swampy on Mar 23, 2013 2:25:55 GMT -5
And many socialists will believe it, of course.
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Post by mcnoch on Mar 23, 2013 6:16:51 GMT -5
And, isn't it true? My US colleagues tell me that you can see poverty in every bigger city in the USA, except for some shopping-malls and other areas where security is pushing them out. It is improving in the recent months, but still there. At one of our locations my company is offering its large fenced parking-space and the old factory canteen (incl. sowers, toilets, etc..) to those people who have to live in their cars. Volunteers from the neighboring church and our company are managing the whole project, so these homeless people can take a shower, get some warm food and safe sleep during the night, so nobody is stealing their remaining possessions. The states failed to support the big numbers of people who became homeless when their house was sold by the banks.
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Mar 23, 2013 7:50:09 GMT -5
Of course, Mathias! Send money please!! We are all starving over here and in dire need of rescuing like in the Marshal Plan of yesteryear....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 8:28:00 GMT -5
At the risk of sounding like a "homer", yes, we do have poverty in the states - in every state. But it is no different than in any country in the world. Every place has pockets of poverty, they are just more visable in some places than others. Having actually spent many years in Germany, I can assure you it is no different there than in the US. Don't fall for the trap of believing whole heartedly in what "collegues" have told you without actually experiencing it. Poverty has been around since Adam and Eve and will never completely disappear.
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Post by Swampy on Mar 23, 2013 9:03:55 GMT -5
There're also poor people in Europe, but that's not the point; the point is that North Korea is in no position to castigate the US, given its situation.
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Post by mcnoch on Mar 23, 2013 14:48:45 GMT -5
Of course poverty exists everywhere, but the level reached in some areas of the USA has unexpected and not believed possible for the USA. So I think it is not a lie to show such pictures. It is not Hollywood, it is reality. ... the point is that North Korea is in no position to castigate the US, given its situation. There I strongly disagree. There is no limitation to what one can discuss/report, just because one has the same problems (in a different scale) at home. Otherwise, I would never read a word about budget problems in Europe from you again.  The USA is no longer the gold standard, so if they criticize the NK government for the poverty in NK, they have to accept that NK is taking a closer look on how the situation is in the USA. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 15:32:28 GMT -5
Of course poverty exists everywhere, but the level reached in some areas of the USA has unexpected and not believed possible for the USA. So I think it is not a lie to show such pictures. It is not Hollywood, it is reality. The USA is no longer the gold standard, so if they criticize the NK government for the poverty in NK, they have to accept that NK is taking a closer look on how the situation is in the USA. Don't show your ignorance regarding the US by even thinking that poverty is unexpected here. Why would it be? I've been around for over 70 years and it's always been the same. The difference MAY be that the media has changed over the years and they sometimes tend to focus on the negative aspects of life here - and elsewhere as well. I assume that by "gold standard" you mean that we are no longer the number one world power. Naturally, I totally disagree. If we weren't why does everyone say we are? Who do you think countries look to to protect them? Germany? Don't make me laugh. It will be many decades, if ever, if Germany is trusted in that regard again. China? Heading for bankruptcy and all the negative connotations of that, only they don't seem to know it. England? Uh no. Russia? Still not back to near where they were during the Cold War and may never get there. I'm a semi-isolationist. My belief is that if you want our help, either money or military, you damn well better be a true ally. Why the hell we throw our money - which can ill afford to do - around to those who hate us is beyond me. As far as NK or anyone pointing out our problems, I see nothing wrong with that as long as the presentation is accurate and not misinformation. |
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Post by Sir John on Mar 23, 2013 15:46:48 GMT -5
Denny,
"Why the hell we throw our money - which can ill afford to do - around to those who hate us is beyond me."
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The trouble is that for some reason America always wants to be loved and/or respected. What you really need is to be FEARED! That worked for the Romans for about 400 years. You know as well as i do which ones love/respect America, and which ones hate you, and NO peace loving muslim country is in the positive group.
Next time someone tries to test you and your resolve, show them what you can really do, and tell the UN to get stuffed! As it is at the moment, your enemies know that all it takes to defeat the USA is to send home a few 100 body bags.
The media does the rest.
SJ
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Post by mcnoch on Mar 23, 2013 16:15:11 GMT -5
I assume that by "gold standard" you mean that we are no longer the number one world power. No, I was talking about living-conditions not the geo-political situation. There have been times when everyone was benchmarking the local living-conditions against those of the USA, especially during the 80/90s. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 16:51:26 GMT -5
A poor family in America live the good , very good life of most the poor around the world , people don't try to break out of the U.S. the other way is true , poverty and hunger were always good motivators , that is no longer true in the states as we have become a two class society .
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Mar 23, 2013 17:34:05 GMT -5
I've posted this before but I'd like to remind all that a Pennsylvania politician did the math and announced that a single mother on welfard in Pennsylvania (and presumably poor) would need to get a job paying $80,000.00 or more to make as much as she receives from the many welfare programs that she is taking advantage of. The whole world should be as poor as the poor in the US. While those pictures may be real and not staged, they, in all probabliity, depict not the poor but the mentally ill or the drug or alcohol addicted. (Remember the "poor" homeless man that received the new shoes from the New York City policeman around Christmas time? Turned out he was not homeless after all - had a government provided appartment and welfare checks and food stamps and free healthcare, etc.... he just preferred to live on the street)
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