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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 19:33:26 GMT -5
When the German collapse at Stalingrad took place it created a salient in the German lines and as Colonel Blimp can tell you Salients are not desirable because it leaves you open to attack from three sides , the German high command came up with plan Z they would use the salient to launch a pincers a move and cut the Russian off then there would be happy times again , WRONG , the Russians were well aware of what was up and set up their own little trap . Guderian Germany's tank expert asked the Leader if this was necessary perhaps another time would be better , Hitlers reply was , huh , the rest is history the Germans managed to get their arse kicked big time it was also the last time the Germans went on the offense in the East .
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Post by Sir John on May 3, 2013 19:58:17 GMT -5
I think uncle joe was warned by the Brits that it was coming. He was also warned of Barbarossa, but he ignored that one.
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Post by Swampy on May 3, 2013 20:05:33 GMT -5
But it was an obvious one, wasn't it, to bite off that bit and trap a bulge of Soviets. That said, the Germans, as I've been saying, were spreading themselves far too thin.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 20:06:47 GMT -5
Yes the brits had told the Russians what was comming and the Russians put the info to very good use .
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Post by mcnoch on May 5, 2013 23:45:05 GMT -5
I think uncle joe was warned by the Brits that it was coming. Yes, and his own spies inside Berlin had even managed to send the complete - ~ 10 pages - order to Moscow, weeks before. It was the longest transmission of the Berlin spy-network, spread over days to switch teams and radio positions. The Russians are today very proud on the successes of their spy-network in Berlin, but shoot most of its members right after the war, to make sure that nothing can compromise those who managed to keep their jobs or got new jobs in the western administration. The book and the accompanying exhibition two years ago caused some debate here. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 16:36:04 GMT -5
The Germans had many top commanders among my favorites were Kesselring and Rommel Hitler doesn't figure in there at all though he was a sh-rude politician .
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Post by Sir John on May 7, 2013 20:38:46 GMT -5
He should have listened to the blokes that knew what they were talking about.
After all, he was only a corporal.
SJ
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Post by Swampy on May 7, 2013 20:55:36 GMT -5
Was Rommel that great? He tried to conquer the Middle East, never realizing that, the further he went, the thinner his supply lines, and, with the handful of units at his command, he could never have beaten the British.
His only option was to tie down the British, so they could not invade the Third Reich.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 20:59:33 GMT -5
Neapolitan was also only a Corporal the big difference is one knew he was but a Corporal and surrounded himself with Generals that were very good .
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 21:07:17 GMT -5
Rommels biggest handicap was 100,000 Italians .
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Post by Swampy on May 7, 2013 22:02:07 GMT -5
Rommels biggest handicap was 100,000 Italians . And his ego. And his inability to understand how long the African/Middle Eastern front would be. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 22:15:32 GMT -5
and he did a pretty good job of it .
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Post by Sir John on May 7, 2013 22:43:48 GMT -5
Rommel did not allow for "Ming The Merciless".  SJ |
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Post by Swampy on May 7, 2013 23:53:09 GMT -5
Ming the Merciless??? You mean Monty?
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Post by mcnoch on May 7, 2013 23:58:45 GMT -5
I think he is speaking of Sir Leslie James Morshead.
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