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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 21:38:58 GMT -5
I know Barbarossa has been kicked around this forum several times , but I still have to wonder what could have been the objective besides self destruction , there is not a way that the Germans could have controled the Soviet Union , no way .
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Post by Sir John on Jun 4, 2013 22:03:55 GMT -5
Agree 100%
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Post by Swampy on Jun 4, 2013 22:58:27 GMT -5
They should have gone straight for Moscow, forgetting about diversions. Either that or go for the oil fields in the southern part.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 21:48:24 GMT -5
The German soldier of the past was about the best there was their Officers were for the most part capable , the part that neither could do was flexibility , the officers were stuck with some kind of Teutonic code , the enlisted men were stuck in the groove that their Officers and Nico's were infallible in other words they didn't need to think all of that was done for them in the American military you had to earn the right to think then within certain limits were required to think , a soldier could be trained all day every day but NOTHING prepares you for the actual combat people shooting other people training may help but thinking about your next move is telling especially when there is no one around to think for you .
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Post by mcnoch on Jun 5, 2013 23:34:26 GMT -5
That the German soldiers followed orders has nothing to do with not thinking. You shouldn't confuse Hollywood's representation of German soldiers with reality.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 23:42:33 GMT -5
I'm sure the German soldier was capable of thinking , but there's always the problem of understanding what was a lawful order or not , many Jews , Ukrainians and Russians would have been better off if the German soldier had thought instead of blind obedience . Do you think ? .
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Post by Swampy on Jun 6, 2013 0:27:27 GMT -5
They were apparently trained to use their initiative on the battlefield. That's totally different from their political ideology, where they were trained to hate those who were different.
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Jun 6, 2013 8:04:18 GMT -5
I submit that it was not the ability of the individual soldier that dictated the outcome of WWI and WWII, but the ability of the Allies to outproduce Germany. While strategy and tactics get all the glory, logistics is what wins wars....
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