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Caen
Jul 29, 2013 22:59:32 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 22:59:32 GMT -5
Something about Caen mystified Monty his British and Canadian forces were suppose to occupy Caen on D-DAY but it was well into August before Caen was taken at great cost , IKE jovial old IKE was beginning to lose patience with Monty and the Empire they were becoming a pain in the ass screwing up his time table , IKE went to Monty's HQ to see what was what , Monty being a little pompous started lecturing IKE on logistics and what ever , this did not set well with IKE who told Monty to get on with it or someone else will .
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Caen
Jul 29, 2013 23:57:18 GMT -5
Post by Sir John on Jul 29, 2013 23:57:18 GMT -5
Maybe because it was full of hard to get on with Germans?
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Caen
Jul 30, 2013 0:27:08 GMT -5
Post by Swampy on Jul 30, 2013 0:27:08 GMT -5
Caen should have been taken earlier but was not. But the fighting forced the Germans to devote most of their armor to holding the British and Canadians, which meant their lines across the Americans were thinned out. This allowed Patton to break through with Operation Cobra.
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Caen
Jul 30, 2013 0:31:44 GMT -5
Post by Sir John on Jul 30, 2013 0:31:44 GMT -5
So Patton fought to the last Tommy!
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Caen
Jul 30, 2013 0:40:30 GMT -5
Post by Swampy on Jul 30, 2013 0:40:30 GMT -5
So Patton fought to the last Tommy! No, Monty did. He was supposed to break through with Operation Goodwood, but didn't. Patton later did with Cobra. Monty has always been late, and the German generals considered him a plodding opponent, taking one heavy step after another. And, when he tried to be dashing, he created the disaster at Arnhem.
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Caen
Jul 30, 2013 0:48:10 GMT -5
Post by Sir John on Jul 30, 2013 0:48:10 GMT -5
"German generals considered him a plodding opponent, taking one heavy step after another"
Agree, given Rommel's problems and handicaps, Monty should have won el Alamein in a few days. It took him a fortnight!
SJ
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Caen
Aug 9, 2013 16:12:30 GMT -5
Post by hornet32 on Aug 9, 2013 16:12:30 GMT -5
Monty out numbered Rommel in everything but brains , Monty always saw the mole hill and confused it with a mountain , Rommel I think had 28 tanks at el Alamein but he had plenty of 8.8's that could blow the tommy cookers sky high , one German gunner said 6 rounds 5 tanks , missed on the 6th cause the driver had the tank in reverse .
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Caen
Aug 9, 2013 22:23:19 GMT -5
Post by Swampy on Aug 9, 2013 22:23:19 GMT -5
Monty was known to be a plodding general, taking one heavy step after another.
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Caen
Aug 10, 2013 0:40:35 GMT -5
Post by Sir John on Aug 10, 2013 0:40:35 GMT -5
Monty spent his formative years in Australia.
Pity he did not pick up the Australian flair for warfare. Then the 9th tipped el Alamein in his favour.
SJ
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Caen
Oct 5, 2013 17:46:15 GMT -5
Post by griffin on Oct 5, 2013 17:46:15 GMT -5
"German generals considered him a plodding opponent, taking one heavy step after another" Agree, given Rommel's problems and handicaps, Monty should have won el Alamein in a few days. It took him a fortnight! SJ Winston made a number of mistakes, including releaving General Claude Auchinleck. The 'Auk' was a fine officer who was effective and able to 'think outside of the box'. A tremendous example was that he listened to a junior officer named David Sterling and the SAS was borne. It gave the Germans fits, with their hit and run tactics. Winston also hampered Auk by stripping personnel, equipment, etc. to serve in lost causes, further reducing Auk's ability to fight Rommel. Had Churchill given Auchinleck and his 'Desert Rats' all the manpower and firepower he gave Monty, he would have also beaten Rommel. If that had been the case, the allied campaigns in North Africa, Sicily and the Italian mainland would have gone on much better and could have shortened the war. However, that was not be the case and allied relations were constantly strained due to Montgomery. If Auk been in charge, he would have supplanted Monty also in D-Day planning and in being the General in charge of the British Army Group that included Commonwealth soldiers and the Polish Army forces. Paul
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Caen
Oct 5, 2013 18:49:49 GMT -5
Post by Sir John on Oct 5, 2013 18:49:49 GMT -5
I think Churchill may have had a misplaced obligation to Greece. A case of biting off more than he could chew. His long range view of the Balkans region may have had something to do with it.
Agree about Auchinlech. I have never been a fan of Monty, the only way he seemed to be able to win a battle was with overpowering advantages, and then he only just managed it.
SJ
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Caen
Oct 5, 2013 19:22:12 GMT -5
Post by hornet32 on Oct 5, 2013 19:22:12 GMT -5
Monty was a balls up from the old school , neither Ike or Patton could stand the man , Churchill was next on the list .
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Caen
Oct 5, 2013 19:37:29 GMT -5
Post by Sir John on Oct 5, 2013 19:37:29 GMT -5
yep, the only bloke that loved Monty, was Monty!
Bit that other bloke, what's 'is name?
SJ
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Caen
Oct 5, 2013 20:45:44 GMT -5
Post by hornet32 on Oct 5, 2013 20:45:44 GMT -5
The other bloke was the only reason Monty was able to stay around , Ike was thinking in terms of giving Monty the boot , but was in a political bind to do so , besides Ike had his hands full controlling the other egomaniac .
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Caen
Oct 5, 2013 21:11:08 GMT -5
Post by Swampy on Oct 5, 2013 21:11:08 GMT -5
That other bloke broke through the German lines, while Monty was stuck, as he usually was. And Monty actually had the nerve to talk about a thin line approach to take Berlin, when he was a plodder, and Market-Garden would show he was not that sort of general.
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