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Post by boxcar on Sept 8, 2012 13:46:11 GMT -5
>>Obama also devoted large segments of his speech to the issue -- and made fun of his rivals. "My opponent and his running mate," Obama said, pausing for effect, "are new to foreign policy." Soon thereafter, he added: "After all, you don't call Russia our number one enemy -- and not al-Qaida -- unless you're still stuck in a Cold War time warp." <<
It is true, he did not call the Russians his enemy, As a matter of fact he conveyed in front of an open mike , to the Russian president that after the elections he would be in a better position to make “adjustments”, or words to that effect .
Foreign Policy: Republicans are unworldly amateurs
As I recall, as soon as he was elected, he took a foreign “fact finding” trip, wherein he patted the English queen on the back (or was that his wife that did that?) and then bowed to the Arabian king. Such foreign polish.
Yes, I recall now it was his wife, because the queen was purported to say that she did not want to be in the same room as THAT woman.
>>The things that Obama didn't mention in his speech are also striking. These were his weak points, the issues that he believes he can't score any points on, such as arms control. He also only fleetingly touched upon his own accomplishments, such as health care reform or the disputed stimulus package that prevented an even more severe economic crash. Such issues are simply too controversial among the voters he is trying to woo. <<
(Too controversial and too much graft and corruption just below the surface.)
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Sept 8, 2012 14:00:31 GMT -5
The Preacher Turns Pragmatist By Marc Pitzke in Charlotte, North CarolinaIt was nothing like the soaring speech from four years ago. It was no dazzling, history-making address, no major pitch, no inspirational oration leaving listeners with goose bumps. And it was far from the ferocious takedown of his opponent that Bill Clinton had delivered the previous evening.
During his speech, Obama touched on the issues of education, taxes and the national debt.
He also promised tax reform and praised state-provided health insurance for the elderly.
During his speech, Obama used the word "choice" 10 times. He tried to present a clear dichotomy between himself and Romney, and portray the election as one that will determine the country's destiny.
The things that Obama didn't mention in his speech are also striking. These were his weak points, the issues that he believes he can't score any points on, such as arms control. He also only fleetingly touched upon his own accomplishments, such as health care reform or the disputed stimulus package that prevented an even more severe economic crash. Such issues are simply too controversial among the voters he is trying to woo.
Obama also more or less ignored the employment situation, which should come as no surprise. Friday morning will see the release of the most recent monthly figures for the US labor market.
These seem to be the high points of the article you linked to. I can see NO specifics as to how he is going to accomplish anything - in fact - I see very little that he has promised to accomplish in the future, Maybe I missed it. Could you point out what he has promised to do for the country? <I agreed with what he said.>
And what was it that he said that you agree with? Please see my direct quote from the Romney speech - Can you agree with that as being somewhat specific to solve our current problems?
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Post by boxcar on Sept 8, 2012 16:41:43 GMT -5
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Sept 9, 2012 8:38:28 GMT -5
That is absolutely frightening! And these people are deligates? A cut above the politically uneducated man in the street ? Surely there are some Democrats that have a bit more sense than this group.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 9:03:26 GMT -5
That is absolutely frightening! And these people are deligates? A cut above the politically uneducated man in the street ? Surely there are some Democrats that have a bit more sense than this group. That has to be the most ironic and ridiculous statement I've seen you write, completely out of character. They are no different from those who attended the GOP convention other than having differences of opinions on what needs to to done for the country. Why don't you and JR just admit that there is nothing the Dems could do that would satisfy you and leave it at that. As long as those in Congress show the same sort of intransigence as do you two, nothing will be done.
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Sept 9, 2012 9:22:09 GMT -5
That is absolutely frightening! And these people are deligates? A cut above the politically uneducated man in the street ? Surely there are some Democrats that have a bit more sense than this group. That has to be the most ironic and ridiculous statement I've seen you write, completely out of character. They are no different from those who attended the GOP convention other than having differences of opinions on what needs to to done for the country. Why don't you and JR just admit that there is nothing the Dems could do that would satisfy you and leave it at that. As long as those in Congress show the same sort of intransigence as do you two, nothing will be done. Denny - Does this really mean that you are in favor of outlawing corporate profits? Or did you not see the clip?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 11:04:26 GMT -5
Jerry,
There are a LOT of things I disagree with the Dems about, this being one. My original post concerned the differences between the two conventions regarding both the speakers and the emotion at both, and we have gotten way off base from that.
Denny
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Sept 9, 2012 11:31:07 GMT -5
Guess that is the choice this election - emotion vs logic. Good call!
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Post by boxcar on Sept 9, 2012 12:26:16 GMT -5
>>My original post concerned the differences between the two conventions regarding both the speakers and the emotion at both, and we have gotten way off base from that.<<
I disagree, Denny. We are still talking about what goes on at the convention. I am just underlining events that were not brought out by the “main-stream-media”.
If you want the real news, stay away from CBS,NBC and ABC. Do yourself a favor and look at Newsmax, the Drudge Report and Townhall sometime.You might bet a better picture of what is going on.
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Post by boxcar on Sept 9, 2012 12:44:36 GMT -5
>>Why don't you and JR just admit that there is nothing the Dems could do that would satisfy you and leave it at that<<
Well, there are quite a few things the Dems could do that I would listen to. For instance they could write a budget, They have not done so for over 1300 days. You see if they write a budget, they would be expected to live within that budget, and they don’t want to do that.
They could have allowed for the construction of the proposed Canadian pipeline. That would have put many people to work. The Canadians now are going to construct the pipeline in a Westerly direction rather than South, and sell their surplus oil to China.
I could go on, but you get the idea.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 17:09:28 GMT -5
Guess that is the choice this election - emotion vs logic. Good call! Jerry, If you want a thread which discusses the differences between the two party's policies, start one. My OP - AGAIN - was only to discuss the differences in the ambiance, if you will, of the two conventions, nothing more. You and JR have taken a right turn where none was needed. Denny
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Post by boxcar on Sept 9, 2012 19:39:59 GMT -5
>>My OP - AGAIN - was only to discuss the differences in the ambiance, if you will, of the two conventions, nothing more. You and JR have taken a right turn where none was needed.<<
Would you rather we discuss Sandra Fluke? We have been discussing topics at the convention that are taboo to the general news media because they do not reflect the best qualities of the Dems. From what I gather, these have not been isolated cases either, but rather the general opinion of the average Democrat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 8:32:25 GMT -5
JR,
You have such an ingrained hatred of the Dems that discussing anything that is even remotely related to them with you is fruitless.
Denny
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Post by boxcar on Sept 10, 2012 10:28:30 GMT -5
Well Denny, I am not too happy with Romney either, so I am not necessarily picking on the Dems. See the post on Romneycare.
"ingrained hatred"? I am just stating the facts. Where I error, please point it out.
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Post by boxcar on Sept 12, 2012 17:51:11 GMT -5
As Jerry has pointed out, a compromise may not always be the best solution to a problem. Today we face the dilemma where we need another budget extension, but the Dems have played a dirty trick and added funds for Obamacare in the resolution.
>>The Tea Party Patriots denounced the must-pass continuing resolution because it includes funds for President Obama's signature healthcare law.
The group urged lawmakers not to vote for the six-month spending bill when it comes up in the House on Thursday. But the Tea Party's admonition might fall on deaf ears, since the CR is designed to avert a government shutdown ahead of the November elections.
Ignoring warnings and voting for the compromise bill would show that lawmakers, especially conservative ones, are not committed to repealing the healthcare law, the Tea Party group charged.<<
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