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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2012 18:23:14 GMT -5
What a HUGE difference! The GP convention was pretty much businesslike and laid back with the speeches ok. Thus far, the Democratic convention is ALIVE and the speeches I've watched (Castro, Michelle Obama and Bill Clinton) have been outstanding. Please note that I didn't say anything other than the speeches were great. I can see why it whipped up the attendees because even I thought they were great - and I'm not voting for them! I can remember when the GOP seemed to be the younger, more vibrant party. It sure doesn't seem that way now based SOLELY on the speeches.
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Post by Sir John on Sept 6, 2012 18:28:36 GMT -5
"I agree with whatever my President does"!
Delegate at the DNC.
SJ
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 9:09:14 GMT -5
"I agree with whatever my President does"! Delegate at the DNC. SJ John, That's a typical comment one would expect to see in such an environment. It is no different from those on the other side who would blindly follow anything put out by the Tea Party. I prefer to evaluate for myself what BOTH sides have to say and then make a determination that is best for ME. After watching Obama's speech last night, I feel that he has regained some of the recent momentum that he lost due to some of his unpopular policies. He didn't say enough to gain my vote, but for the most part, I agreed with what he said. There will be those on this forum who would argue otherwise, but my guess is that Jerry and I may have been the only one's to watch it live. The man is a masterful speechmaker. Denny |
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Sept 7, 2012 9:34:42 GMT -5
Sorry, Denny. I couldn't watch Obama's speech. The stream of distortions, lies, empty promises and Utopian ideas made me ill. One can deny reality for just so long and then reality comes up to bite you (no matter how good you make fantasy sound)
BTW, since I couldn't watch it all the way through, what was his specific plan to improve the economy and unemployment that has been promised for days now?
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Post by Swampy on Sept 7, 2012 9:41:24 GMT -5
I would sympathize with his view that he needs more time to deal with the worst economic crisis since the Depression, but he was spouting off about "Yes, we can", the first time around, so he now has to deal with that fact that no, he hasn't so far.
He set himself up on that one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 14:04:50 GMT -5
Sorry, Denny. I couldn't watch Obama's speech. The stream of distortions, lies, empty promises and Utopian ideas made me ill. One can deny reality for just so long and then reality comes up to bite you (no matter how good you make fantasy sound)
BTW, since I couldn't watch it all the way through, what was his specific plan to improve the economy and unemployment that has been promised for days now? Typical convention/campaign speech with the exception that it was delivered excellently. Not as much specifics - or at least what I would categorize as specific - as I expected, but still he hit all the top spots which is MUCH more than Romney did. Jerry, you know as well as I that if it's specifics you want, a convention generally is not the place you will get them. |
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Sept 7, 2012 14:50:43 GMT -5
Sorry, Denny. I couldn't watch Obama's speech. The stream of distortions, lies, empty promises and Utopian ideas made me ill. One can deny reality for just so long and then reality comes up to bite you (no matter how good you make fantasy sound)
BTW, since I couldn't watch it all the way through, what was his specific plan to improve the economy and unemployment that has been promised for days now? Typical convention/campaign speech with the exception that it was delivered excellently. Not as much specifics - or at least what I would categorize as specific - as I expected, but still he hit all the top spots which is MUCH more than Romney did. Jerry, you know as well as I that if it's specifics you want, a convention generally is not the place you will get them. Well, in spite of all the rhetoric to the contrary, I specifically remember Romney listing five points in his plan to improve the economy. I can't remember all of them but I'm sure that Romney and his staff do. The first one was to open federal lands, off shore areas and the Alaskan Wild Life preserve to oil exploration, and to fast track the Keystone Pipeline. This will immediately provide jobs to oil folks and will probably very quickly reduce the price of oil (in expectation of an increased supply). Reduced energy costs will (1) reduce the cost of manufacturing and delivering goods (2) increase consumption (3) reduce unemployment. The other four points were as far reaching. I haven't seen anything as nearly as specific from the Democrat Party - even though it has been promised for weeks now. All they have come up with is 'We need more time' to spend more money and prop up some more failing businesses....  |
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Sept 7, 2012 15:00:42 GMT -5
Now you got me interested so I googled the transcript of his speech and here are his five points:
First, by 2020, North America will be energy independent by taking full advantage of our oil and coal and gas and nuclear and renewables.
Second, we will give our fellow citizens the skills they need for the jobs of today and the careers of tomorrow. When it comes to the school your child will attend, every parent should have a choice, and every child should have a chance.
Third, we will make trade work for America by forging new trade agreements. And when nations cheat in trade, there will be unmistakable consequences.
Fourth, to assure every entrepreneur and every job creator that their investments in America will not vanish as have those in Greece, we will cut the deficit and put America on track to a balanced budget.
And fifth, we will champion SMALL businesses, America's engine of job growth. That means reducing taxes on business, not raising them. It means simplifying and modernizing the regulations that hurt small business the most. And it means that we must rein in the skyrocketing cost of healthcare by repealing and replacing Obamacare.
Admittesdly - some generalities but a lot more specific than the Democrat "plan"
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Post by boxcar on Sept 7, 2012 17:18:29 GMT -5
One noted commentator had this to say about the Democratic convention:
By day, it is an embarrassing freak show, with speaker after speaker exhibiting contempt for traditional American values, and by night, it is toastmasters cunningly presenting the Democratic Party as the guardian of those values they've spent the entire day trashing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 17:20:12 GMT -5
Why don't you Google Obama's plan and compare it to Romney's? I know you hate him but give him credit for the good things he has done and for what he wants to do in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 17:21:11 GMT -5
I would sympathize with his view that he needs more time to deal with the worst economic crisis since the Depression, but he was spouting off about "Yes, we can", the first time around, so he now has to deal with that fact that no, he hasn't so far. He set himself up on that one. I gather you didn't watch the speech. Am I correct? |
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Sept 8, 2012 8:23:11 GMT -5
Why don't you Google Obama's plan and compare it to Romney's? I know you hate him but give him credit for the good things he has done and for what he wants to do in the future. Why don't you give me a cut of it as I did for you with Romney's? At least give me a list of the good things he wants to do in the future (and how he expects to accomplish them). I want to give the world total peace - a great vision - but I have no idea of how to accomplish it. I suspect the same with Obama's "wants to do in the future" And I don't hate him - I hate what he has done to my country and what he plans to do to it..... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 9:13:25 GMT -5
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Post by boxcar on Sept 8, 2012 9:46:35 GMT -5
Didn’t Obama’s speech cause a tingling feeling to run up your leg? I noticed he skipped the mundane issues like debt, budget and unemployment. In the end he gave us two choices for the future, and then forgot to specify just what those two choices were. That was the Community Organizer at his best.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 12:34:27 GMT -5
Didn’t Obama’s speech cause a tingling feeling to run up your leg? I noticed he skipped the mundane issues like debt, budget and unemployment. In the end he gave us two choices for the future, and then forgot to specify just what those two choices were. That was the Community Organizer at his best. I guess you didn't watch him either. He mentioned all those plus more. But, as with Romney, he didn't go into any depth. This was not the time nor the place for that. At some time in the relatively near future, both will have to come out with exactly what they see as the problems we face and with their proposed solutions - in depth. At that point, we the people (as tet used to say) will be able to analyze and formulate our own decisions on what is best for us. Unlike you and others on the forum, I like to make my judgements based on all the info I can get and as little as possible on personalities. Everyone has some good points and solutions and I believe in taking the best of all of them, in other words, COMPROMISE, another dirty word for the GOP in the past few years. There is very little I like about about the Democratic platform, but the more I hear the GOP whine and cry about the Demos, the less I like them as well. IF people are really interested in fixing what is wrong with this country, our leaders on both side of the aisle need to sit down in a locked room and not be allowed out until solutions are reached. That's not gonna happen and we all know it. But saying that one person or another is flat wrong about everything is a bunch of gavno, as my Russian friends say. |
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