New Evidence of Soviet Atrocities

[jerryfmcompushaft]

This excerpt of a much longer article discusses a Soviet War Crime that was covered up by the US Government during the days of WWII.

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The Soviet secret police killed the 22,000 Poles with shots to the back of the head. Their aim was to eliminate a military and intellectual elite that would have put up stiff resistance to Soviet control. The men were among Poland's most accomplished - officers and reserve officers who in their civilian lives worked as doctors, lawyers, teachers, or as other professionals. Their loss has proven an enduring wound to the Polish nation.

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I am reminded of a very positive experience I had in Germany in the late '50s working, briefly, with a Polish Smoke Generator Unit. Displaced ex-military, these guys were probably more patriotic toward the US than many of the soldiers with whom I served. I will always respect them.

[Swampy]

The Katyn Forest Massacre is a blight on a very blemished Soviet record.

[Deleted]

How can you have a blight on an already blemished record?

We will never completely understand how the eastern Europeans have hated each other for centuries and why they abuse each other so badly. In a way, it reminds me of the fine folks in the ME.

[Sir John]

Denny,


"We will never completely understand how the eastern Europeans have hated each other for centuries and why they abuse each other so badly.'


Ever since I first heard of the "Common Market" back in the '50s, my first thought was your observation. They have been at each others throats for centuries and the list of wars is endless.

As for our peace loving muslim brothers, any suggestion that they fight a war of attrition to its conclusion is a good one to me. I was an enthusiastic observer of the Iran-Iraq War back in the '80s. It reminded me of a story of my FIL, from the Siege of Tobruk in 1941.

The Poles were listening to the BBC and they reported a big battle on the Russian Front. The BBC said "10,000 Russians killed" and the Poles cheered, then it said "10,000 Germans killed" and the Poles cheered again".

A very satisfactory result.

SJ

[Swampy]

SJ, we think alike - I was also an enthusiastic observer of the Iran-Iraq war, even as the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan was going on. I definitely supported giving portable SAM's to the mujahideen so they could knock down Russian helicopters.

[Deleted]

Giving them SAMs really worked out well for us, didn't it?

[Swampy]

Those rocket launchers were probably used up by 1989, and I don't see any evidence they were used against us. In any case, international politics means that you have to support allies who will one day be your enemies - we supported the Soviet Union against the Nazis, and the Taliban against the Soviets; we also support Saddam Hussein against Iran.

[Deleted]

You didn't find any evidence? Did you look? here is one small example. rense.com/general15/pose.htm

[Sir John]

I read a long essay some years ago that said the 'Stinger' batteries are long since as dead as a doornail.


SJ

[Deleted]

Batteries of any kind have a certain life span. Nothing that says whatever is needed can't be reverse engineered though.

[boxcar]

>>I read a long essay some years ago that said the 'Stinger' batteries are long since as dead as a doornail.<<

That is about like saying a bullet can no longer be a threat.

[bluejay77]

Sept 11, 2012 14:26:06 GMT -5 jerryfmcompushaft said:

This excerpt of a much longer article discusses a Soviet War Crime that was covered up by the US Government during the days of WWII.

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The Soviet secret police killed the 22,000 Poles with shots to the back of the head. Their aim was to eliminate a military and intellectual elite that would have put up stiff resistance to Soviet control. The men were among Poland's most accomplished - officers and reserve officers who in their civilian lives worked as doctors, lawyers, teachers, or as other professionals. Their loss has proven an enduring wound to the Polish nation.

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I am reminded of a very positive experience I had in Germany in the late '50s working, briefly, with a Polish Smoke Generator Unit. Displaced ex-military, these guys were probably more patriotic toward the US than many of the soldiers with whom I served. I will always respect them.

I recall having read that Josef V. Stalin's regime killed much of the entire elite and the intelligentsia of the Russian nation, for the kind of reasons you mention, including killing many of the skilled military officers of the Russian army.

This, in turn, was one of the primary reasons why the USSR military was to a certain extent ineffective in WWII.

The German Abwehr had to my knowledge discovered that Stalin had more tanks than the Nazis, and better ones, so Hitler decided to launch a preemptive strike in 1941. The Red Army was not fighting well during those years.

[Swampy]

Bluejay, you hit the proverbial nail on the head. But, after the Nazis invaded, Stalin released all the officers from the camps. Those officers remained dedicated communists, despite their incarceration, and they were shocked at how badly the Red Army had deteriorated when they were gone.

[bluejay77]

I recall chatting for some years ago with an individual whom I understood from the context to be some kind of an intelligence agent -- not Russian but European.

His diagnosis of Josef Vissarionovitsh Stalin was -- that Stalin was a psychopath. Clearly not insane, i. e. not psychotic, but an individual with a clear, cold intellect, and a highly dangerous psychopath. And a fanatic, I would add.

Maximilian Robespierre was another individual of the similar kind. Robespierre was being called by his contemporaries "a principle which has become flesh". Another fanatic there.