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Post by Swampy on Oct 19, 2013 10:10:00 GMT -5
Uncle Ho has been saying how they would wear us out, which did happen. But that did NOT mean we had no chance.
First of all, the Japanese and Germans adopted the same strategy in WWII, and it didn't work; second, the NVA could not have continued the war if their supplies had gone up in smoke, which happened with the Linebacker campaigns. Furthermore, the NVA also could not have functioned as an army if the US military had been allowed to fight the war properly, namely, cutting the Ho Chi Minh Trail, destroying the NVA bases and military personnel, and, above all, making limited incursions into North Vietnam to ensure that the NVA cannot regroup.
Don, over to you.
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Post by dontom on Oct 19, 2013 19:59:30 GMT -5
Uncle Ho has been saying how they would wear us out, which did happen. But that did NOT mean we had no chance. First of all, the Japanese and Germans adopted the same strategy in WWII, and it didn't work; second, the NVA could not have continued the war if their supplies had gone up in smoke, which happened with the Linebacker campaigns. Furthermore, the NVA also could not have functioned as an army if the US military had been allowed to fight the war properly, namely, cutting the Ho Chi Minh Trail, destroying the NVA bases and military personnel, and, above all, making limited incursions into North Vietnam to ensure that the NVA cannot regroup. Don, over to you. I never said we could not have won the Vietnam war. But not many Americans wanted to do what it would take to win. And even if we did "win" what would it be that we won, that would be worth having perhaps 100,000 more Americans killed? But yes, we could have killed everybody in North Vietnam, but even that doesn't mean all in the South would be happy. "To win in Vietnam, we will have to exterminate a nation." -Dr. Benjamin Spock "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle." -Barry Goldwater
-Don Quoteman SSF, CA
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Post by Swampy on Oct 19, 2013 20:44:20 GMT -5
Dr Benjamin Spock was not a military historian or analyst, and Barry Goldwater was right. If you doubt the benefits of fighting communism, compare South Korea with the North, and compare Maoist China with Taiwan.
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Post by dontom on Oct 19, 2013 21:32:40 GMT -5
Dr Benjamin Spock was not a military historian or analyst, and Barry Goldwater was right. If you doubt the benefits of fighting communism, compare South Korea with the North, and compare Maoist China with Taiwan. The type of government other countries fight for is not our problem. Do you think we should force all other countries to be like us? Perhaps you can explain why so many people have fought for the commies. Are they stupid or what? And BTW, there are a lot of countries that are not commie that I wouldn't want to live in as well. -Don- SSF, CA |
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Post by dontom on Oct 19, 2013 21:36:07 GMT -5
Dr Benjamin Spock was not a military historian or analyst, and Barry Goldwater was right. They both were right. It doesn't matter who they were. Besides, They both said the same thing in different ways. Kill them all and then we win. But exactly what did we win?
-Don- SSF, CA
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Post by Swampy on Oct 19, 2013 21:39:10 GMT -5
Perhaps you can explain why so many people have fought for the commies. Are they stupid or what? Not stupid, misguided in some case. In others, they were forced to fight, like it or not. And history has proven communism was evil - remember the fall of the Berlin Wall? Of the collapse of the Warsaw Pact? Dr Benjamin Spock was not a military historian or analyst, and Barry Goldwater was right. They both were right. It doesn't matter who they were. Besides, They both said the same thing in different ways. Kill them all and then we win. But exactly what did we win?
-Don- SSF, CA
Barry Goldwater didn't advocate genocide, just destroying the NVA's ability to do anything. Furthermore, the south would have been safe, which leads to the answer to your question - if we had won, South Vietnam would have been a vibrant nation today like South Korea and Taiwan. |
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Post by dontom on Oct 19, 2013 21:52:32 GMT -5
[if we had won, South Vietnam would have been a vibrant nation today like South Korea and Taiwan. Commie Vietnam is doing quite well today. Much like commie China. Here is what the Vietnam rush hour looks like these days. Seems everybody is working, doesn't it? -Don- SSF, CA |
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Post by Swampy on Oct 19, 2013 22:19:35 GMT -5
Not compared to South Korea or Taiwan. And don't forget the human tragedy of the Boat People, as well as the million who died in the concentration camps after Saigon fell.
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Post by dontom on Oct 19, 2013 23:23:20 GMT -5
Not compared to South Korea or Taiwan. Don't be so sure. Besides, you cannot compare free countries or commie countries like that. Compare Mexico to Canada for an example. Not much to compare and neither are commie countries. And don't forget the human tragedy of the Boat People, as well as the million who died in the concentration camps after Saigon fell. After being big loosers in a long war, what would you expect? The North wanted to be sure nothing like that happens again. And BTW, the last I heard, Vietnam was trying to encourage more people in the South to get involved with their Vietnam politics. South Vietnam is a lot better off today than when we were "helping" them. Same with Iraq and countless other countries we "help". -Don- SSF, CA |
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