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Post by hornet32 on Oct 20, 2013 21:45:21 GMT -5
Yes the was no 'Ho's trail just as much moved south through the Central Highlands and the East Coast as did through Laos and Cambodia , these Countries by the way were into it up to their neck and were just as willing to get the U.S. out of the area as NVN , Indo-China had an agenda by such groups as the Khmer Rouge which by the way were the worst of the worst , many industries in Indo -China were cottage industries in caves and underground structures and could produce anything from A-Z .
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Post by dontom on Oct 21, 2013 6:02:47 GMT -5
Yes the was no 'Ho's trail just as much moved south through the Central Highlands and the East Coast as did through Laos and Cambodia , Yep, I think you're right there. The Ho CHi Minh Trail is the entire width of Vietnam as well as part of Cambodia and Laos. IOW, any way they can get their stuff south will work. Cutting the trail is not as easy as some want to make it sound. -Don- SF, CA |
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Oct 21, 2013 9:35:27 GMT -5
And contrary to what some folks would like us to believe, that the trail was a bunch of coolies with 50 pounds of rice strapped to their bicycles, the trail was heralded as one of the major military engineering feats of the 20th century. It was not just a path through the jungle and could have been interdicted at numerous points to our advantage. It did not span the width of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos but was a well defined network of roads, bridges, waterways, way stations, truck parks, refueling points, and depots. Google it....
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Post by hornet32 on Oct 21, 2013 12:23:44 GMT -5
And they didn't ride the bikes just used them to transport the goods , Japanese did the same during the Malaysia Campaign .
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Post by Swampy on Oct 21, 2013 22:40:58 GMT -5
And they didn't ride the bikes just used them to transport the goods , Japanese did the same during the Malaysia Campaign . The Japanese cycled down well-defined roads in Malaya. As for the HCM Trail, if they were interdicted and their supplies destroyed, they would have been unable to wage a modern war - especially if we kept hitting their training camps up north. |
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Post by Sir John on Oct 21, 2013 22:44:14 GMT -5
What is a 'HO'?
SJ
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Post by dontom on Oct 22, 2013 0:30:16 GMT -5
And contrary to what some folks would like us to believe, that the trail was a bunch of coolies with 50 pounds of rice strapped to their bicycles, the trail was heralded as one of the major military engineering feats of the 20th century. It was not just a path through the jungle and could have been interdicted at numerous points to our advantage. It did not span the width of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos but was a well defined network of roads, bridges, waterways, way stations, truck parks, refueling points, and depots. Google it.... There was a special on TV a few years ago about the HCM trail, which I watched. Showed how inefficient it was to bomb the bicycles. It also showed the many women workers who helped maintain the trail. But what I am trying to say is, no matter what trail we cut, no matter how many trails we cut, they will still have the will to fight and when there is a will, there is a way. Unlike most Americans, they believed in what they were fighting for. Perhaps because they were brainwashed, but they still believed in what they were fighting for. There was a time when most Americans were brainwashed too, and supported the war based on the lies (The Gulf of Tonkin incident, for just one example). Perhaps most of our wars start with lies (WMD in Iraq, etc., for another example). "When war is declared, Truth is the first casualty." --Arthur Ponsonby -Don Quoteman, SF, CA (back at "work")
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Post by dontom on Oct 22, 2013 0:33:25 GMT -5
Ho! Ho! Ho!, Green Giant!-Don- SSF, CA
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Post by Swampy on Oct 22, 2013 1:06:38 GMT -5
The Japanese said that, and they eschewed proper tactics, thinking their Yamato Damashii would overcome material odds. That didn't happen. The NVA would have been unable to function without proper equipment and with their personnel constantly being wiped out.
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Post by dontom on Oct 22, 2013 4:36:31 GMT -5
The NVA would have been unable to function without proper equipment and with their personnel constantly being wiped out. Well, they neither had proper equipment nor enough people to fight the USA, South Korea, ARVN (and the several other countries "helping" the south) and they did just fine, didn't they? Like I said, if there is a will, they will find a way. And they had the will, unlike the USA, ARVN and etc. -Don- SF, CA |
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Oct 22, 2013 9:27:29 GMT -5
And we all know how accurate the mainstream media is...particularly when reporting about airplane accidents and military things....  Agree that bombing bicycles would probably not be too effective when viewed in a cost/benefit vein.... but.... bombing depots, truck parks, bridges, POL dumps would have the possibility of being at least a tiny bit effective.... |
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Post by Swampy on Oct 22, 2013 9:35:22 GMT -5
The NVA would have been unable to function without proper equipment and with their personnel constantly being wiped out. Well, they neither had proper equipment nor enough people to fight the USA, South Korea, ARVN (and the several other countries "helping" the south) and they did just fine, didn't they? They had substantial equipment from the SU and China - SAMS, mortars, artillery, and, in the Easter Offensive, even tanks. |
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Agree that bombing bicycles would probably not be too effective when viewed in a cost/benefit vein.... but.... bombing depots, truck parks, bridges, POL dumps would have the possibility of being at least a tiny bit effective....