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Post by hornet32 on Oct 28, 2013 21:30:40 GMT -5
Just where the hell was Hitler going in his mad dash through Russia , the Goal was ? , was the Pacific Ocean his goal , lunch in Tokyo , Churchill didn't give a damn where Hitler was going just so long the direction was east , were convoy's from the Empire to the Motherland deliberately delayed so that the Germans could keep going ? , hmmmm .
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Post by Sir John on Oct 28, 2013 22:41:07 GMT -5
"were convoy's from the Empire to the Motherland deliberately delayed so that the Germans could keep going"
Sounds like something that the world renowned strategist would do, but given that MOST of the Lend Lease was American, and sailed across the Pacific in 'Russian' flagged ships to Vladivostok, under the very noses of our peace loving japanese brothers, I doubt the proposal. Also the "ALSIB" Route was outside Winston's control.
The Murmansk Convoys were the best Britain could do during WW2. it is amazing that the overall success rate/losses was so good.
SJ
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Post by Swampy on Oct 29, 2013 0:32:29 GMT -5
He wanted lebensraum or living space, which would include the wheatfields of the Ukraine and the oil wells of the Caucasus. He also wanted to fight a racial war with the slavs.
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Post by Sir John on Oct 29, 2013 2:20:20 GMT -5
"He wanted lebensraum or living space, which would include the wheatfields of the Ukraine and the oil wells of the Caucasus. He also wanted to fight a racial war with the slavs."
I cannot understand what Hitler was thinking when he invaded Russia. Did he really believe he could conquer even HALF of it? He had big trouble even getting to Moscow, let alone taking and holding it, and that was only half way to the faint hope of the Urals.
Did he think he would not have Stalin watching and waiting and gathering his men and material for a push west in due course. Hitler could not bring any soldier back home for fear of Stalin.
Doomed on day.1.
SJ
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Post by Swampy on Oct 29, 2013 2:30:34 GMT -5
I don't know that he was doomed to fail. Der Fuhrer could have pushed straight to Moscow, without diversions to the Ukraine, and he might have been able to take the city in 1942. Once he got that central communications node, he could have bargained with Stalin from a position of strength.
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Post by Sir John on Oct 29, 2013 13:43:41 GMT -5
Stalin would have told him to get stuffed, safe in his Urals dugout modelled on the one Field Marshall Mac had in Bataan, when he was 'earning' his MOH.
Stalin was as cunning as a latrine rodent, and knew his Siberian troops were training and preparing. He would have abandoned Moscow to save his own skin, and General Miles, and General Snow, and General Mudd were planning.
SJ
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Post by Swampy on Oct 30, 2013 1:19:27 GMT -5
[quote author=" Sir John" source="/post/19204/thread" timestamp="1383072221 Stalin was as cunning as a latrine rodent, and knew his Siberian troops were training and preparing. He would have abandoned Moscow to save his own skin, and General Miles, and General Snow, and General Mudd were planning.[/quote] Are latrine rodents cunning? Anyway, Moscow would have been a quagmore for the Germans, far bigger than Stalingrad - which they never took completely - and, yes, the long communication lines would have been another problem. |
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Post by Sir John on Oct 30, 2013 2:25:20 GMT -5
Swampy,
I am certain that Hitlers generals knew damned well that the gates of Moscow were as far as Germany could ever hope to go. Every yard was another yard of supply problems, and less for Russia. It could only have got worse from then on.
And Stalin knew it!
Hitler WAS doomed the day he stepped on Russian soil, he bit off FAR more than he could chew as our American friends say.
SJ
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Post by Swampy on Oct 30, 2013 9:17:52 GMT -5
One on one, I'd say the Germans would have kicked Soviet butt, but, of course, it wasn't one on one.
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