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Post by Swampy on Sept 20, 2012 23:42:50 GMT -5
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Sept 21, 2012 7:42:42 GMT -5
Global Warming is the greatest hoax to have ever been perpetrated on the public - and it made some charlatans a lot of money before it lost favor among the populace...
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Post by mcnoch on Sept 21, 2012 12:31:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2012 14:58:33 GMT -5
Global Warming is the greatest hoax to have ever been perpetrated on the public - and it made some charlatans a lot of money before it lost favor among the populace... So my guess is that you don't believe in climate change either?
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Sept 21, 2012 15:17:40 GMT -5
Global Warming is the greatest hoax to have ever been perpetrated on the public - and it made some charlatans a lot of money before it lost favor among the populace... So my guess is that you don't believe in climate change either? Bingo!
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Post by griffin on Sept 21, 2012 15:25:19 GMT -5
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Post by boxcar on Sept 21, 2012 15:28:46 GMT -5
Gentelmen remember, as the Artic ice shrinks, the Summer, the Antartic grows. Mcnach and Swampy are talking about two different regions of the world.
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Sept 21, 2012 15:29:30 GMT -5
Quite true - and the article I referenced See here would indicate that may not be a bad thing. On the other hand - or, if you would, on the other pole, the ice pack is growing. Adding north and south it probably comes out somewhat of a draw. North gettng warmer + south getting colder = net zero.
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Post by boxcar on Sept 21, 2012 15:43:21 GMT -5
Griffin, please consider that the warm Pacific current that used to warm the Alaskan pan handle has shifted to flow through the Bering Sea. This is what probably caused the Arctic ice to melt. (Denny, they are now surfing of the coast of Shimia.)
As an example of climate change, in the ‘50s Anchorage hardly ever got much below +32ºF. Last year they saw -50ºF.
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Post by Sir John on Sept 21, 2012 15:50:40 GMT -5
Jerry (#1)
It has also destroyed the 'cred' of the scientific community around the world.
No longer do I or most other thinking people in our society accept without question the announcements of an 'expert', no matter how impressive their qualifications.
There has been FAR too much BS, later proven to be BS, given out as scientific fact. In fact it was one of these claims that first set me on the road to skepticism.
It was a banner headline saying that the Antarctic 'ice shelf' was melting, and would soon disappear. A close reading of the claim showed that it was an area of the northern Antarctic Peninsular near Cape Horn, the ONLY part of the Antarctic continent that ever gets anywhere near +C during a few short days in summer.
All the rest of the Continent stays at an average of about MINUS 30C year round, and gets down to about -70C on a 'cold day'.
Far too many predictions of doom and gloom defy logic for me and I hate the idea of someone insulting my intelligence.
Another BS claim was that the Greenland ice cap was melting, but I already knew the story of 'Glacier Girl'. a P38 that landed on the ice cap in WW2. When they finally found it the ice had grown over it by 300 FEET up to 1995 I think it was.
....and don't even mention the "rising seas" BS.
SJ
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Post by Swampy on Sept 21, 2012 16:03:27 GMT -5
No longer do I or most other thinking people in our society accept without question the announcements of an 'expert', no matter how impressive their qualifications. That's good, and we must never accept anything without question. In a strange way, some good may come out of this GW farce.
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Post by Sir John on Sept 21, 2012 16:55:29 GMT -5
Swampy,
By far our two leading 'alarmists' in OZ have NIL qualifications in climate 'science'.
One is a paleontologist, and the other is an economist.
SJ
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2012 18:34:10 GMT -5
Griffin, please consider that the warm Pacific current that used to warm the Alaskan pan handle has shifted to flow through the Bering Sea. This is what probably caused the Arctic ice to melt. (Denny, they are now surfing of the coast of Shimia.) As an example of climate change, in the ‘50s Anchorage hardly ever got much below +32ºF. Last year they saw -50ºF. If they are surfing off the coast of Shemya they better be wearing a warming wet suit or they'll be dead in a matter of minutes. Of course, as windy as it is there, a parasail could take them for miles and miles!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2012 18:36:36 GMT -5
I guess it would probably do me no good to mention that I DO believe in climate change and the resultant (who knows when for sure?) potential catastophic events that may occur. How's that for waffling?
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Post by boxcar on Sept 21, 2012 19:07:51 GMT -5
Denny, then just check the Japanese currents that I mentioned. That is what has caused the change in Alaska’s climate in the past 60. The Alaskan pan handle used to be called the banana belt of Alaska. All that changed when the currents shifted.
In the last year or so there have been changes in temperature in Northern Europe do to changes in direction of the Gulf currents. Some of you Europeans may want to verify this statement. Yes, there is climate change, due to current change. How long will it last? Will it return to normal? Who knows?
I don't consider this waffling, just digging into the facts and causes of "Global Warming". If one area gets warmer, there is another area that gets colder, average temperature, constant.
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