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Post by hornet32 on Jan 2, 2014 14:14:11 GMT -5
What can she do ? she can't come over here .... I don't give a damn about America .
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Post by Sir John on Jan 2, 2014 14:30:56 GMT -5
I presume the OP is a quotation by the General and he was FAR too premature, by about 2 years.
By the time the Yanks finally arrived, after getting out of bed in April 1917, learning how to shoot and fight by watching the Australians, they arrived at the front line in June 1918, when all others were exhausted.
5 months before the final bell sounded!
I think they had a tall arrogant bloke there learning the ropes, well back from the front line of course!
SJ
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Post by hornet32 on Jan 2, 2014 16:06:52 GMT -5
Big Mac was the youngest brigadier General the U.S. had and was awarded the DSC second highest by Black Jack Pershing who didn't suffer fools lightly . The forth Somme offensive in 1917 the allies got their ass kicked suffered a million casualties and got absolutely no where , the French mutinied it was time for the Yanks to step in and end it , which they did , the old digger took off his helmet and with tears in his eyes said thank God them Yanks are 'ere .
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Post by Swampy on Jan 2, 2014 22:40:53 GMT -5
What can she do ? she can't come over here .... I don't give a damn about America . Who is "she"  By the time the Yanks finally arrived, after getting out of bed in April 1917, learning how to shoot and fight by watching the Australians, they arrived at the front line in June 1918, when all others were exhausted. Professor Michael Howard said that, without the Americans, in both wars, Germany would have emerged hegemonic, as in the dominant power. As for their entry into WWI, he said the British could not have won the u-boat war without the American navy, and, in the final offensive, with over a million Germans freed from the Russian front, the Kaiser's minions could have swamped the exhausted allies without the Americans. What do you have against Big Mac? |
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Post by hornet32 on Jan 3, 2014 0:46:58 GMT -5
With out the U.S in BOTH wars England would have been an Island with no place to go France would have benefited from German occupation to the extent of continuity , Russia would have been defanged as they were in 1917 and the world might have been a better place , maybe .
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Post by Swampy on Jan 3, 2014 2:10:40 GMT -5
With out the U.S in BOTH wars England would have been an Island with no place to go France would have benefited from German occupation to the extent of continuity , Russia would have been defanged as they were in 1917 and the world might have been a better place , maybe . Without the US in both wars, Britain may have been occupied. |
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Post by Sir John on Jan 3, 2014 13:10:55 GMT -5
"Without the US in both wars, Britain may have been occupied."
My Bovine Excreta Detector just went off.
SJ
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Post by Swampy on Jan 3, 2014 16:16:46 GMT -5
"Without the US in both wars, Britain may have been occupied." My Bovine Excreta Detector just went off. SJ Without Lend Lease in WWII could Britain have survived? And, without the US Navy in WWI, could Britain have won the campaign against the U-boats? Could France and Britain in 1916 have survived the onslaught of an Imperial Germany that didn't have to face Russia? |
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Post by Sir John on Jan 3, 2014 16:32:29 GMT -5
"survived", yes, but little more.
Canada and Australia could have fed Britain, but not armed her, without British built factories of course. There are a dozen or more shipping routes across the Atlantic and Indian Oceans. The convoy system could have been abandoned and the vast oceans hidden the freighters. You can sail 100 freighters on 100 different headings and 100 different spaces. Same as they do with all those jets crossing now.
As said many times, the RN Home Fleet was invincible. Britain was 'UNinvadable'
SJ
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Post by Swampy on Jan 3, 2014 22:36:36 GMT -5
Could Britain have survived without Lend Lease? The U-boat campaign was starving her, even with American help, so, without that ...
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