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Post by simonhaha on Aug 17, 2012 23:40:39 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_IslandsAmerican owned the islands before , return to japan no taiwan, confuse is predictable . according to now usa ,japan 's economic how long can still persist
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Post by Swampy on Aug 17, 2012 23:44:18 GMT -5
I have always thought the islands should have remained with the US. Part of the problem is that the Japanese used to own Taiwan, and the Japanese zone included those islands. The Taiwanese were allowed to reunify with (then Kuomintang) China, but the islands were returned to Japan.
I think the islands should stay with Japan, because Japan is such a small country. And, let's face it, Japan is better run than the PRC.
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Post by Sir John on Aug 18, 2012 1:44:35 GMT -5
I am not at all convinced that China can project military power very far in her own region.
I am certainly NOT convinced she could successfully invade Taiwan, the opposite in fact. I am not yet up to speed on her ability to enforce ownership of the Shenkaku islands, or any of the many groups in the South China Sea.
She has never even been game to take back the close in Taiwanese Islands off her coast, or the Pescadores. You can bet they all are like a porcupine with missiles (and radars)
I suppose it all depends on just how far all the parties involved are willing or able to go. Not even Japan could go to war with China, nor could China go to war with Japan without destroying her reputation in the world, it would set ALL her neighbours on a military standby mode.
SJ
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Post by Sir John on Aug 18, 2012 1:51:32 GMT -5
PS,
Google Earth tells me that the SENKAKU Islands are on the China/Taiwan continental shelf, and certainly not on the Japanese one.
No idea on the historical claims.
SJ
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Post by Swampy on Aug 18, 2012 1:52:38 GMT -5
I wonder if China has the naval capability to invade the Senkakus. Probably does now.
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Post by Sir John on Aug 18, 2012 3:31:58 GMT -5
Swampy,
This group is 5 tiny islands and a few wet rocks, that a platoon could invade without much trouble. The biggest one is a bit rugged, but shooting Chinese soldiers may have serious repercussions, and I think you understand about 'losing face'.
China seems to be deliberately generating situations that have VERY high consequences, and she may paint herself into a corner she will be forced to defend to the death.
SJ
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Post by simonhaha on Aug 18, 2012 3:49:48 GMT -5
in history stance , china is the biggest, owned the surrounding
islands . japan is lack of evidence to prove
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Post by Swampy on Aug 18, 2012 7:21:06 GMT -5
in history stance , china is the biggest, owned the surrounding islands . japan is lack of evidence to prove Could you tell us more? The Canadian newspaper, the Globe and Mail, has an article on how both countries are bringing this to the forefront. 14 Hong Kong activists even landed on another atoll to plant the Chinese flag. Those 14 were detained and then deported by the Japanese government. |
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Post by Simonhaha on Aug 18, 2012 22:53:43 GMT -5
When .japan just form a alliance .shape a country
As always send people tourism buliding .even many japanese
words came from china .
All little island were belong to china
Japan started send army in 270years before
But not successful
the only commitment just the one after usa owned japan
As now ,both usa and japan can't persist long
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Post by Swampy on Aug 18, 2012 23:39:31 GMT -5
Interesting point, Simon. But most of us here would say the US and Japan can hold off China. Why do you think otherwise? And we have started a thread also on the Red Chinese invasion of Taiwan - perhaps you can also tell us what you think.  |
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Post by Sir John on Aug 19, 2012 0:25:58 GMT -5
Simon,
"All little island were belong to china"
All over this planet, the criteria for ownership of islands depends primarily on the distance to the claimants territory. Thus Taiwan 'owns' a couple of islands close to the PRC coast, that clearly should belong to China, they are within her territorial zone.
I cannot understand why China thinks an island 150 miles from her, and 50 miles from a neighbour, should belong to China. If we all used that logic there would be international chaos, and very probably, WAR!
China is telling all her neighbours, indeed the entire world, that she is a bully that is willing to threaten war to get her way.
SJ
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Post by Swampy on Aug 19, 2012 9:02:11 GMT -5
Taiwan and China say the entire Chinese territory belongs to them, so I would understand Taiwan taking islands in China's territorial waters and vice versa - that would, in theory, not apply to Japan. That said, Japanese nationalists have landed on the Senkaku's, raising the temperature. Simon, how's the press reporting it on your side of the Pacific? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 12:37:24 GMT -5
Interesting point, Simon. But most of us here would say the US and Japan can hold off China. Why do you think otherwise? And we have started a thread also on the Red Chinese invasion of Taiwan - perhaps you can also tell us what you think. I would argue your statement that the US and Japan can hold off China to the extent that your statement MAY be 1/2 correct. Without US support, China would bulldoze Japan in a NY minute. Luckily this is all a hypothetical for now as I can't see any major conflict with China in the offing. I wonder if Japan were truly threatened by China if the US would allow itself to become militarily involved? I really don't know the answer to that one but I imagine that the US would think long and hard before engaging China in what likely would become WWIII. |
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Aug 19, 2012 13:06:42 GMT -5
Interesting point, Simon. But most of us here would say the US and Japan can hold off China. Why do you think otherwise? And we have started a thread also on the Red Chinese invasion of Taiwan - perhaps you can also tell us what you think. I would argue your statement that the US and Japan can hold off China to the extent that your statement MAY be 1/2 correct. Without US support, China would bulldoze Japan in a NY minute. Luckily this is all a hypothetical for now as I can't see any major conflict with China in the offing. I wonder if Japan were truly threatened by China if the US would allow itself to become militarily involved? I really don't know the answer to that one but I imagine that the US would think long and hard before engaging China in what likely would become WWIII. Let's hope China feels the same way about engaging the US ...... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 13:49:59 GMT -5
I would argue your statement that the US and Japan can hold off China to the extent that your statement MAY be 1/2 correct. Without US support, China would bulldoze Japan in a NY minute. Luckily this is all a hypothetical for now as I can't see any major conflict with China in the offing. I wonder if Japan were truly threatened by China if the US would allow itself to become militarily involved? I really don't know the answer to that one but I imagine that the US would think long and hard before engaging China in what likely would become WWIII. Let's hope China feels the same way about engaging the US ...... I 100% agree! |
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