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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Oct 6, 2012 15:21:23 GMT -5
Posted without the political comments whicn are available here
LOS ANGELES - A film dramatizing the death of Osama bin Laden is set to debut next month on the National Geographic Channel, two days before the U.S. presidential election.
"Seal Team Six: The Raid on Osama bin Laden," from The Weinstein Co. and Voltage Pictures, will air Sunday, Nov. 4, the channel said Thursday. |
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Post by dontom on Oct 8, 2012 5:48:11 GMT -5
I like the timing. Hopefully, it helps Obama enough to get him re-elected.
-Don-
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Post by mcnoch on Oct 8, 2012 7:27:09 GMT -5
Considering that both movies refer to SEAL Team Six instead of DEVGRU makes me think that both will take some dramaturgic liberties. BTW I don't understand why the US is taking this so serious, I'm quite sure there have been more challenging missions like this and I believe that no US president would have stopped such a mission. There was no additional political risk.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 7:50:59 GMT -5
Don't you think that the possibility of failure while invading a country that is supposedly an ally is a risk? Had the mission failed, the consequences would have been even more severe than what happened regarding our relationship with Pakistan. Had the mission failed, Obama would've been blamed for the failure and he would have suffered politically because of it.
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Post by dontom on Oct 8, 2012 8:41:02 GMT -5
Considering that both movies refer to SEAL Team Six instead of DEVGRU makes me think that both will take some dramaturgic liberties. BTW I don't understand why the US is taking this so serious, I'm quite sure there have been more challenging missions like this and I believe that no US president would have stopped such a mission. There was no additional political risk. If Jimmy Carter's mission was successful with the hostages held in Iran, no doubt he would have been re-elected. But it wasn't so he didn't. Obama had much better luck. Too bad OBL didn't get his head blown off just a few days before the election. Unfortunately, most Americans quickly forget such stuff. -Don- |
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Post by mcnoch on Oct 8, 2012 9:26:37 GMT -5
The US military failed to kill OBJ during the battle for Tora Bora in 2001 and many times after that and Baby Bush was re-elected. The USA was already violating Pakistan's air-space and territory with the drone attacks and SF- and intel-operations on a regular basis. So nothing new IMO.
I doubt that it would have had a big impact if the raid had failed. If it would have been somebody else, well not nice, but how often have SF-forces stormed houses and they didn’t found what they thought they would find. And if the mission would have failed for other reasons, like a mid-ari collision, nobody would have taken a notice on the public stage. Without the buzzword OBL this story had no news-worth. Maybe some local newspapers and military/aviation magazines would have brought a short note that some helicopters were lost during an inflight-crash. It would have been a page 7 note in a dirty and often difficult to understand and judge war.
BTW I don't think it was Jimmy Carter's failure that Operation Eagle Claw ended in disaster. He decided to give the”go”, all else was beyond his power or control. Same for Obama.
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Post by dontom on Oct 8, 2012 17:02:07 GMT -5
BTW I don't think it was Jimmy Carter's failure that Operation Eagle Claw ended in disaster. Neither do I. But the timing and such was bad for a re-election. Here in the USA it's the BS factor that's most important. Mainly stuff that the president has nothing to do with that gets him re-elected. For an example, if the economy looks good or bad just before the election. The real reasons for such is immaterial. Perception is reality. "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." -Winston Churchill -Don Quoteman |
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Post by Swampy on Oct 8, 2012 18:03:01 GMT -5
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." -Winston Churchill He also said democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others. |
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Post by dontom on Oct 8, 2012 20:12:42 GMT -5
He also said democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others. That one is: "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
-Sir Winston Churchill, Hansard, November 11, 1947.-Don Quoteman |
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Post by mcnoch on Oct 8, 2012 23:34:00 GMT -5
"Democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. "
- George Bernard Shaw
I always took this verbatim as a warning against not to care about politics and so get involved.
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