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Post by Swampy on Dec 9, 2012 11:12:27 GMT -5
The US Supreme Court will be hearing two cases that are challenging the bans on gay marriages. I wonder if the Court will refer to the decision by the Supreme Court of Canada, which ruled that laws against gay marriage are unconstitutional.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2012 12:12:09 GMT -5
The issue is one of both legal and emotions. I don't know what the legal ramifications are, and I guess the SC will tell us, but for my generation I doubt that any ruling will change the minds of those of us who had had an opinion all our lives. I''m truly astounded that the American public has changed their opinion so dramatically over the past 10-15 years in favor of gay marriage. But, it has.
Not just because of the apparently positive feeling towards gays in general, but also toward many other things, I'm glad I will be dead before I see this country being taken over by those whose interests are in themselves and not for the country as a whole. The trend that I've seen over the past 10 years or so is not what I feel the country should be looking forward to. Just one man's opinion, but it is the MOST important opinion to me.
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Post by dontom on Dec 10, 2012 2:07:20 GMT -5
I'm glad I will be dead before I see this country being taken over by those whose interests are in themselves and not for the country as a whole. "Taken over" by what? Equality, such as marriage equality? Does that mean that's not in the best interest of the country?
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Post by dontom on Dec 10, 2012 2:24:52 GMT -5
The US Supreme Court will be hearing two cases that are challenging the bans on gay marriages. I wonder if the Court will refer to the decision by the Supreme Court of Canada, which ruled that laws against gay marriage are unconstitutional. [/color][/quote] I doubt it. What does a Canadian Constitution have to do with a US Constitution? I think we have more religious fanatics down here and they have too much control over our government / laws, etc. when compared with Canada. So this type of stuff takes longer here.
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Post by Swampy on Dec 10, 2012 3:30:37 GMT -5
I doubt it. What does a Canadian Constitution have to do with a US Constitution? I think we have more religious fanatics down here and they have too much control over our government / laws, etc. when compared with Canada. So this type of stuff takes longer here. Persuasive authority. The US Supreme Court in Air France v Saks said that they would consider foreign decisions to see if other courts have ideas they would adopt - that's the precedent system. And a US Supreme Court justice has lamented the fact that they don't use enough foreign case law, which limits the talent pool available to them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 5:07:07 GMT -5
Gay marriages, a divorce lawyers dream
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Post by dontom on Dec 10, 2012 5:53:40 GMT -5
Persuasive authority. The US Supreme Court in Air France v Saks said that they would consider foreign decisions to see if other courts have ideas they would adopt - that's the precedent system. And a US Supreme Court justice has lamented the fact that they don't use enough foreign case law, which limits the talent pool available to them. Seems strange to me, as different countries are ran differently. But if the SCOUUS wants to follow Canada on the same-sex marriage issue, it's perfectly fine with me. In fact, of course, I hope they do. Canada is way ahead of the USA on this issue.
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Post by dontom on Dec 10, 2012 6:12:39 GMT -5
Gay marriages, a divorce lawyers dream Almost any marriage is a divorce lawyers dream because:"I guess the only way to stop divorce is to stop marriage." --Will RogersThat is, almost every marriage except for mine with Tom. We've been together for most of our lives and still very happy together.
Here we are in February of 1975:Here we are last year:Gay relationships like mine would put Swampy out of business.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 8:40:33 GMT -5
I'm glad I will be dead before I see this country being taken over by those whose interests are in themselves and not for the country as a whole. "Taken over" by what? Equality, such as marriage equality? Does that mean that's not in the best interest of the country?
-Don- Don, I've had to grapple with my feeling regarding homosexuals intitially, and now more recently gay marriages, ever since I retired from the Army in '81. As I mentioned very early on when I first came on this forum, when I was in we believed that queer (as it was known then) bashing should be an Olympic sport. I think we would both agree that things have changed a great deal since then. As I got into the civilian world and began meeting with gays in everyday life, I began to realize they were no different from me in most ways other than those involving sexuality. But marriage, no, I didn't believe in that then, nor do I now. That's probably old set-in-my-way feelings, but some things never change. All that said, I have nothing but admiration for those gays who have an abiding and enduring love and affection for each other. You and Tom are an exception to the long and enduring rule of ANY relationship, gay or straight. How many couples have been together since 1975? (I have, but I'd guess that the number of folks who were in the service who married at that time, and are still married, is relatively small, probably 25-30% or even less). I admire those gays who adopt orphaned children and provide them with with saftety and a loving home. I will never be able to understand why one person may be the straight and another gay nor will I ever "approve" of gay "lifestyle", but that's just me and very few ask my opinion about it anyway because all my friends are straight and feel the same way I do. As to the rest of my comments, I doubt they need explanation.
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Dec 10, 2012 9:20:37 GMT -5
I wasn't asked, but my biggest problem with gays is that I DON'T need to know all about their intimate sexual preferences. None of my business and I don't like them to shove it in my face at every opportunity.
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Post by dontom on Dec 10, 2012 9:31:26 GMT -5
That's probably old set-in-my-way feelings, but some things never change. Perhaps you would like to go even a bit older . . . "Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, Malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And, but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriage. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix." -Judge Leon M. Bazile (January 6, 1959)All that said, I have nothing but admiration for those gays who have an abiding and enduring love and affection for each other. You and Tom are an exception to the long and enduring rule of ANY relationship, gay or straight. How many couples have been together since 1975? Tom & I have been together since 1974, but our earliest photo is from 1975. Being gay isn't a "lifestyle" . That term was coined by Christians because it implies choice. But what is there to approve or disapprove of?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 12:23:46 GMT -5
That's probably old set-in-my-way feelings, but some things never change. Perhaps you would like to go even a bit older . . .
"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, Malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And, but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriage. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix." -Judge Leon M. Bazile (January 6, 1959) And that is how many of my generation were brought up. My parents taught me not to discriminate between white and black, etc., butno mention was ever made about gays. I had to learn that prejudice by myself. Tom & I have been together since 1974, but our earliest photo is from 1975. Being gay isn't a "lifestyle" . That term was coined by Christians because it implies choice. But what is there to approve or disapprove of? It's the natural thing that people tend to do when they don't understand something that is not second nature to them.
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Post by Sir John on Dec 10, 2012 12:55:53 GMT -5
Is that 'The Searcher' John Wayne in the background of that pic?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 14:19:20 GMT -5
Looks like Monument Valley to me, one of my favorite places.
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Post by dontom on Dec 10, 2012 17:17:43 GMT -5
Looks like Monument Valley to me, one of my favorite places. Yes, it was, and I don't have a clue who that is on horseback, but John Wayne was dead for quite a while when that photo was taken.
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