Tuition fees at universities.

[Deleted]

Yeah, but I sure like the going to college for free idea.

[boxcar]

>Your College is roughly the last two years of our high-school and the first year of your University. <

Our set up is a bit different. For instance a University is a group of Colleges. I can tell you what the set up was in 1937. We had 8 years of grammar school, followed by four year of high school The high school (four years) could have been a technical institute wherein you leaned a trade, or else it was a preparation school for College. College lasted four years for a Bachelor’s degree. A Masters was another two years and a PhD another two to four years depending on the skill required.

I agree with Denny’s statement that the government does not intrude in the education system (except to keep religion out of the schools). They don’t intrude, rather they influence with their grants for “scientific” studies. Sort of an under-the-table payment for proper actions or the right definition of a situation for political reasons.

Then there are those who say our education system is self policing. That one college may or may not accept another’s credits. For instance the University of Houston’s Music College will not accept work done at Julliard, one of the finest music schools in America.

[jerryfmcompushaft]

I have not chimed in on this subject because I was not sure if the German school system had changed since I was there back in the dark ages. Mathias seems to have indicated that it has not. The system makes the statement "University education is free for all" somehat suspect, as who gets to go to University is detemined by the government based on activities of the student while in grade school. In other words, your academic career is determined while you are still in short pants by some "expert' who determines that you are "good' enough to receive a higher education. If you fail that hurdle, your life as a brick layer has been determined for you. Free education is avaialble to all that the government determines are worthy of it....

[Deleted]

Roth,

I know you're an old fart, but 1937? Really???

Denny

[mcnoch]

There are a lot of possibilites to switch between the secondary schools if your results permit it and even people with a proven expertice in some professions are permitted to the University without "Abitur", as the final exam of the high-school is called. But these are very few people.

And there are all kind of privat/evening schools, but for those you have to pay. So no talent gets wasted, at least as long as the person is cooperative.

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Jan 5, 2013 10:26:49 GMT -5 mcnoch said:

There are a lot of possibilites to switch between the secondary schools if your results permit it and even people with a proven expertice in some professions are permitted to the University without "Abitur", as the final exam of the high-school is called. But these are very few people.

And there are all kind of privat/evening schools, but for those you have to pay. So no talent gets wasted, at least as long as the person is cooperative.

And/or has the money.

[Swampy]

So it comes down again as to who has the money to get tuition.

[boxcar]

With old age, my memory has gone to pot. Lets make that 1939. I was a cute little thing in short pants and they made me wear a beret. Oh how I hated this.

Today a beret is considered an honor in the military.

[Swampy]

Jan 5, 2013 14:23:14 GMT -5 boxcar said:

With old age, my memory has gone to pot. Lets make that 1939. I was a cute little thing in short pants and they made me wear a beret. Oh how I hated this.

Today a beret is considered an honor in the military.

Conventions do change - when I was growing up, ballet was considered for sissies, and I was terrified my mom would make me learn ballet like my sister. Now, we know how tough the process really is.

[mcnoch]

Jan 5, 2013 11:16:30 GMT -5 Swampy said:

So it comes down again as to who has the money to get tuition.

No, you need private money only if you were a lazy guy which brought home always "E", all else get their chance on cost of the tax payers. If you need a second change or want later in your life change your profession, you are free to send in your application again. If you need special skills for your job it might be that your company has to pay for the courses to get you these skills, e.g. the "communication during a crisis-situation" which I got from my company.

If you don't care for the free possibilities because they are free and you need to have the knowledge that this training costs you 15 000 € per year to be motivated, so be it, the society can't help everyone.

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Jan 5, 2013 14:23:14 GMT -5 boxcar said:

With old age, my memory has gone to pot. Lets make that 1939. I was a cute little thing in short pants and they made me wear a beret. Oh how I hated this.

Today a beret is considered an honor in the military.

Actually I thought you meant you were in college in '37 and I knew that wasn't true. ;D FWIW, and it isn't much, wearing of a beret in the US military (or at least the Army) USED to be an honor. Nowadays, not so much. Many diffferent type of units wear berets.

[jerryfmcompushaft]

Denny - Now EVERYBODY wears the silly thing! Most rediculous piece of headgear ever invented - doesn't keep your ears warm, won't keep the sun our of your eyes or the rain off you neck, requires an inordinate amount of care to keep it looking anywhere near presentable. Totally useless piece of gear.....

[boxcar]

The berets started me thinking about changes in military head gear. Remember the tall hats the English wore in the late 1700’s. As I recall, the French and the Germans wore similar head gear. How styles have changed.

And then there were the uniforms. Bright colors and much gold back in the late 1700’s, followed by drab colors during WWII. It was my opinion that US army officers had the best looking uniforms during WWII. As I recall the Marines had two sets of uniforms, one drab and the other red, white and blue. I never cared for what the US navy enlisted man was forced to wear. Bell bottoms and that silly Dixie cup hat.

[Swampy]

Jan 6, 2013 10:12:09 GMT -5 jerryfmcompushaft said:

Denny - Now EVERYBODY wears the silly thing! Most rediculous piece of headgear ever invented - doesn't keep your ears warm, won't keep the sun our of your eyes or the rain off you neck, requires an inordinate amount of care to keep it looking anywhere near presentable. Totally useless piece of gear.....

You're the leader in more ways than one - I agree wholeheartedly about the beret.