The battle of Jutland

[boxcar]

The battle of Jutland is an interesting study on what went wrong, and afterwards the cover up and denial.

This video portrays one ship as the fastest firing ship in the fleet. One has to question why. The answer is they cut corners, and in this case too many corners. They paid the consequences.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCH-05Ijao

[Swampy]

It is interesting. The Royal Navy lost more ships, and its vessels were not as efficient as the German ones, but the Germany navy's will broke, so it won the battle but lost the naval war.

[boxcar]

You are correct, but my emphasis was the cost of cutting corners in the first place and then the cover up afterwards by high ranking admirals.

Also note the British were able to cap the T, and did it with a very difficult naval maneuver. Much credit should be given for this achievement.



Just why after escaping the battle the Germans decided to reverse the second time and re-engage the battle bewilders me.

[Sir John]

Try telling a Pom that Jutland was not a glorious victory, and see what they say.

SJ

[boxcar]

And no one took responsibility for the statement “ What the bloody Hell is the mater with our fleet.”

(and it is POME...prisoner of mother England)

[Swampy]

My problem with Jutland being a British victory is that, first of all, the British lost more ships; second, their vessels weren't as modern as their opponents. That said, the German will broke, so, in the end, it was a sortof victory for the British.

[boxcar]

S:“It is interesting that the Royal Navy lost more ships, and its vessels were not as efficient as the German ones, but the Germany navy's will broke, so it won the battle but lost the naval war. “

Note it was a battle against German crusers and a combination of English battle ships and crursers. That is a very one sided battle to start with. That the Germans scored as well as they did is phenomenal.

[Sir John]

POME.

No it is not. That is one of the theories of the origin in our convict days, but it does NOT appear anywhere in the records, (still 100% complete in Tasmania) or on the prison garb.

I know I have researched all my convict ancestors, and NONE are called a POME.

[Deleted]

POM slang for Person Of Means, free settlers

[Swampy]

Feb 21, 2013 2:19:27 GMT -5 premier1 said:

POM slang for Person Of Means, free settlers

But would he be a badass?

[boxcar]

As I understood it, it was an Australian aspersion against the English

[Deleted]

The Empire goes to great pain to look good even though they got their arse kicked , makes the subjects feel better .

[Deleted]

Feb 21, 2013 3:59:11 GMT -5 boxcar said:

As I understood it, it was an Australian aspersion against the English

POM is actually a friendly dig which I guess started from convict days when free settlers were given convicts as labourers which may have also been a convict's way of expressing jealousy.

Like WOG, during WW1 in Egypt the allied soldiers were calling the locals Gypos and other names, the locals complained and the military HQ put out a notice that the Egyptians were Worthy Oriental Gentlemen so they became WOGS. Australians have referrred to immigrants as WOGS however here a wog can also mean a virus such as influenza, "I have a wog".

Funny story I was told related to an Aussie girl working for a UK medical specialist, she phoned the office and told him that she would not be at work because she was in bed with a wog.

[Sir John]

Fleets.


Britain.
Total: 151 combat ships
28 battleships
9 battlecruisers
8 armoured cruisers
26 light cruisers
78 destroyers
1 minelayer
1 seaplane carrier
.......................................
Gernmany
16 battleships
5 battlecruisers
6 pre-dreadnoughts
11 light cruisers
61 torpedo-boats Total: 99 combat ships


....................................
British Casualties and losses

6,094 killed
674 wounded
177 captured

3 battlecruisers
3 armoured cruisers
8 destroyers
(113,300 tons sunk)[2]


.....................................

German casualties and Losses
1 pre-dreadnought
1 battlecruiser
4 light cruisers
5 torpedo-boats
(62,300 tons sunk)[2]
2,551 killed
507 wounded



How the hell the British can claim a victory is beyond me, only the fact that the German Navy never tried it again is in their favour.

In fact, the RN should have won in a walk-over but did not.


JMO



SJ (thank you Mr Wikipedia)

[boxcar]

Thanks for the statistics.

What I found odd about the battle was why the Germans reversed course the second time and headed back to the scene. I keep wondering what the Germans were thinking.

There is a possibility that they contemplated crossing the English T and returning the favor.