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Post by Swampy on Jun 15, 2022 1:38:09 GMT -5
And he would have, if he had been president in the 1960's.
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Post by dontom on Jun 16, 2022 2:09:11 GMT -5
And he would have, if he had been president in the 1960's. I doubt it, but Reagan sure had that reputation! Uncle Ho would probably shake a bit. We could have won the war by killing almost everybody in Vietnam. Do you believe we should have? IMO, we should have done exactly what Geneva said we should have done in 1958. An all-Vietnam election. We could make sure it was ran fairly. But we couldn't do that because we already knew who would win an honest fair election in all of Vietnam. So we go there and start killing people instead. I assume you understand communism was our issue, not theirs. North Vietnam mainly wanted independence and no more French Indo-China type of thing. Most in the south didn't care if they want commie or not. Of course the rich didn't want it--they had a lot to lose. But that was a small percentage of the south. What gets me is that we fought against democracy in Vietnam where the majority wanted it. And later we tried to force democracy on Iraq where the majority did NOT want it. -Don- Auburn, CA |
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Post by Swampy on Jun 18, 2022 9:54:13 GMT -5
Don, ask the Vietnamese communities in North America if they would have supported the wiping out of te Hanoi regime; in fact, ask what happened when Saigon fell. To be blunt, we were fighting an evil power, bent on mass murder and genocide, and, when they conquered South Vietnam, they exported perhaps a million Vietnamese to the Soviet bloc as slave labor.
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Post by dontom on Jun 18, 2022 17:49:04 GMT -5
Don, ask the Vietnamese communities in North America if they would have supported the wiping out of the Hanoi regime; in fact, ask what happened when Saigon fell. To be blunt, we were fighting an evil power, bent on mass murder and genocide, and, when they conquered South Vietnam, they exported perhaps a million Vietnamese to the Soviet bloc as slave labor. Of course they would. The ones who made it to the USA were mostly the rich from Saigon. In fact, one of Tom's brother's wife is one of such. She had to spend several months in Saigon in a "economic camp" because her family-owned plastics company in Saigon was doing very well before the commies took it over. Now ask the majority of the south who are still in Vietnam. They were simply trying to grow enough rice to feed their family. Do you think they cared much who was running their government? -Don- Auburn, CA |
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Post by Swampy on Jun 18, 2022 22:13:21 GMT -5
Now ask the majority of the south who are still in Vietnam. They were simply trying to grow enough rice to feed their family. Do you think they cared much who was running their government? Yes, they do. The Boat People were from all walks. I know people who have gone to Saigon and know, from first-hand experience, that the southerners don't like the northerners. In fact, the northerners say that going to Saigon is going to heaven, because of all the amenities there by the entrepreneurial south. I also know of many Vietnamese Chinese who are anti-Hanoi. In fact, just about ALL the Boat People are anti-communists, and they are NOT wealthy and rich. And there's also the issue of the concentration camps and deportation of slave labor to the Soviet bloc. |
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