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Post by Swampy on Aug 20, 2022 3:06:40 GMT -5
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Post by dontom on Aug 21, 2022 22:50:54 GMT -5
Are you now convinced global warming /climate change is for real? -Don- Reno, NV
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Post by Swampy on Aug 21, 2022 23:45:20 GMT -5
I was being facetious.
I can accept the climate change hypothesis, because the weather seems to have gotten more erratic, but I don't accept the global warming one.
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Post by dontom on Aug 22, 2022 2:28:10 GMT -5
I was being facetious. I can accept the climate change hypothesis, because the weather seems to have gotten more erratic, but I don't accept the global warming one. It's the same thing. It was only a name change, "global warming" replaced with "climate change". That is because it's more complicated than simply a higher average world temperate. Also, the tern "global warming "was a bit confusing to many, as some places can become record cold during "global warming". -Don- Reno, NV
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Post by Swampy on Aug 22, 2022 9:00:13 GMT -5
Well, the problem is that many environmentalists moved the goal post - first they say the planet was heating up, then, with so many instances of record cold, they said it was sometimes warming up but often having climate change of both kinds.
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Post by dontom on Aug 22, 2022 18:27:32 GMT -5
Well, the problem is that many environmentalists moved the goal post - first they say the planet was heating up, then, with so many instances of record cold, they said it was sometimes warming up but often having climate change of both kinds. Record cold proves nothing unless it's a world average. As I explained before, more places can have a record cold than ever during global warming. But even more places will have a record warm peak. Such as when we ha d over 100°/38°C in the artic circle recently.Cold places getting warmer is a much bigger problem than warm places getting cooler. Cold places getting warmer causes ice to melt for one thing, and that alone can make a major change to our climate. Climate change is a better name, especially for those who do not really understand global warming is simply a world average of a few degrees, which is enough to really mess things up as cold places get warmer. -Don- Reno, NV
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Post by Swampy on Aug 23, 2022 1:11:42 GMT -5
Then the GW hypothesis is not falsifiable - if there's record cold, that's not proof of global cooling, but, if there's record heat, it's proof of global warming. I don't buy that.
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Post by dontom on Aug 23, 2022 1:40:04 GMT -5
Then the GW hypothesis is not falsifiable - if there's record cold, that's not proof of global cooling, but, if there's record heat, it's proof of global warming. I don't buy that. Nope. Neither one is evidence of global warning. It's the WORLD average that is raising which means nothing about any one place, regardless of if extra hot or extra cold. I used the artic circle as an example only because of the problems global warming can cause when more ice melts than usual. I could have used Greenland, even if they never had a record warm--it will still get warmer with global warming. The normally cold places will still have an average of a warmer temperature, just as will the normally hot places. But the normally warmer places do not have ice to melt, to make the oceans deeper and make other changes to the climate. -Don- Reno, NV
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Post by Swampy on Aug 28, 2022 2:43:25 GMT -5
Don, again, that would be moving the goal post - first, the consensus was that temperatures were rising; now, they say it's the world average. Even if that's true, which I may dispute, this could be due to the normal fluctuations in the world's climate.
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Post by dontom on Aug 28, 2022 20:43:19 GMT -5
Don, again, that would be moving the goal post - first, the consensus was that temperatures were rising; now, they say it's the world average. Even if that's true, which I may dispute, this could be due to the normal fluctuations in the world's climate. AFAIK, they have always said it was a world average from the very beginning, but you had to read pass the headlines. For the 2nd part, as being "normal" I cannot say one way or the other. But many qualified experts believe man is making it happen faster than it should naturally. -Don- Reno, NV
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Post by Sir John on Sept 8, 2022 22:37:37 GMT -5
The second greatest SCAM in human history!
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Post by dontom on Sept 9, 2022 1:59:39 GMT -5
The second greatest SCAM in human history! IYO, what was the biggest scam in history? -Don- Reno, NV
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Post by Swampy on Sept 9, 2022 8:59:58 GMT -5
The second greatest SCAM in human history! IYO, what was the biggest scam in history? -Don- Reno, NV I think SJ told us before, but I have forgotten - welcome back anyway, SJ.
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Post by Sir John on Sept 9, 2022 11:42:56 GMT -5
Was, and still is, RELIGION!
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Post by dontom on Sept 9, 2022 12:54:37 GMT -5
Was, and still is, RELIGION! It is hard to believe so many people believe in such superstitious nonsense. Superstition=unproven force. Religion=unproven creator. IOW, religion is a type of superstition. However, climate change is based on scientific fact. -Don- Reno, NV
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