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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Jul 8, 2013 22:18:40 GMT -5
They say that a good landing is one you can walk away from. A great landing is one where you can use the airplane again....
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Post by Sir John on Jul 8, 2013 22:53:26 GMT -5
I cannot see that 777 flying any time soon.
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Post by mcnoch on Jul 8, 2013 23:21:44 GMT -5
The pilots had recognized that the approach failed and that they had to initiate a go around, but it took them too long so they run out of time to do the necessary steps. It might be comparable easy to fly an air plane under good conditions within normal parameters, but during a landing a lot of things have to be done very precisely and under time-pressure. Here the pilot flying was about 2 seconds late in his decision to initiate a go around. In such big airplanes, which take much longer to react than a small plane or fighter jet, you have to think ahead to be on par with the airplane. He was an experienced pilot, so hardly to be surprised by that. They will investigate why he was late, there are several possibilities.
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Post by Sir John on Jul 8, 2013 23:24:30 GMT -5
"but during a landing a lot of things have to be done very precisely and under time-pressure."
And 300 pilots did just that on that day, under the same conditions.
I think I will cancel my booking on ASIANA Airlines, otherwise known as Kamikazi Airlines.
SJ
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Jul 9, 2013 8:52:23 GMT -5
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Jul 9, 2013 8:58:35 GMT -5
Given it takes a jet engine 10-15 seconds to spool up to max power, he was about 20 seconds late in his decision to abort the landing. i doubt he will ever fly again for an airline.... If you will look at the graphs presented in the evaluation of the situation that I linked to above, his decision errors started way before the late decision to abort...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 9:11:58 GMT -5
Jerry this is interesting but because it makes sense it cannot be allowed , my favorite talking head said the crash occurred due to the plane being landed by auto pilot .
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Post by Sir John on Jul 9, 2013 14:03:50 GMT -5
Jerry
It seems to me that BOTH pilots should be grounded. And the lawyers will have a filed day with this.
SJ
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Jul 9, 2013 14:49:03 GMT -5
Jerry this is interesting but because it makes sense it cannot be allowed , my favorite talking head said the crash occurred due to the plane being landed by auto pilot . I've been waiting for the talking head favorite comment - whether or not a flight plan was filed. Actually, Mule, if it had been landed by autopilot, we wouldn't have an accident to talk about. Unfortunately, the ILS was inop and the autopilot would not work, so the airplane had to be landed manually (probably by a pilot who had not made a manual landing, unassisted by autopilot, in months, if ever....)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 15:00:19 GMT -5
Jerry It seems to me that BOTH pilots should be grounded. And the lawyers will have a filed day with this. SJ "filed" day? Great pun!
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Post by Sir John on Jul 9, 2013 15:26:40 GMT -5
Crappy typing more likely.
I shall give the proof reader a severe thrashing!
SJ
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 15:34:33 GMT -5
When we think pilot in this case its x2 .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 15:36:22 GMT -5
The nose to wheel to active is a bit difficult .
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Jul 9, 2013 15:42:21 GMT -5
Much has been theorized about the oriental mind set of not questioning authority. And the Pilot in Command is the authority no matter if he has more or less experience than the first officer. This could have been a factor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 16:01:38 GMT -5
The problem was they were both chewing GUM during the landing .
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