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Post by hornet32 on Aug 12, 2013 9:49:37 GMT -5
Dec. 11 1941 , Herr Fu her declared war on the U.S. , many historians consider this to be the biggest blunder made by Germany during WWII , my way of thinking Hitler had little choice in the matter , the U.S would have continued to supply the Empire with shipping under the American Flag and torpedoes were the only way to stop it , so one way or the other the U.S would have entered the war , and the Empire would have been saved . The truly big blunder was Barbarossa the Germans gained a whole lot of territory and not much else and not for very long .
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Post by Swampy on Aug 12, 2013 10:17:51 GMT -5
It was a blunder. FDR did not declare war on Germany, even though his secretary of state wanted to do so. If Hitler had not done so, then the American bombers would not have bombed the Reichsland, and American soldiers would not have invaded Sicily and Italy. The best result, for Der Furher, was to have America fighting the Japanese while leaving his Reich alone, so he can fight the Soviets to a draw and a negotiated peace.
Churchill would have been terrified of such an outcome.
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Post by mcnoch on Aug 12, 2013 10:24:40 GMT -5
Well, declaring war on the USA had its advantages, especially as the USA was involved already and so nothing really to lose. After the declaration the German submarines were free to attack the US ships in the same way as they did with the UK & Commonwealth ships. As critical as the Battle for the Atlantic at times was, the coming of larger and larger cargo-planes, able to fly with stops from USA to UK, was bringing the Kriegsmarines hope to contain the UK under a lot of extra pressure.
In the end, nothing was to be gained from that.
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Post by hornet32 on Aug 12, 2013 10:36:14 GMT -5
FDR was determined to come to aid of his friend Churchill , but FDR could not declare war on Germany only Congress can declare war and FDR was already skating on thin ice with his lend lease program with the Empire , many members in congress were not happy with that , one must remember there were a lot pro-Germans in the U.S. at the time .
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Post by Swampy on Aug 12, 2013 10:38:16 GMT -5
The U-boats could attack American ships, especially on the other side of the Atlantic, but that was nothing compared to what the American air force would do to the Reichsland. Of course, Hitler may not have wanted the US to settle Japan first and turn everything on his forces, so he may have been wise to side with his ally and force the US to spread itself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 13:22:14 GMT -5
Well, declaring war on the USA had its advantages, especially as the USA was involved already and so nothing really to lose. After the declaration the German submarines were free to attack the US ships in the same way as they did with the UK & Commonwealth ships. As critical as the Battle for the Atlantic at times was, the coming of larger and larger cargo-planes, able to fly with stops from USA to UK, was bringing the Kriegsmarines hope to contain the UK under a lot of extra pressure. In the end, nothing was to be gained from that. I agree.
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Aug 12, 2013 14:03:16 GMT -5
Another advantage was that when they lost the war, the US would rebuild them....
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Post by hornet32 on Aug 12, 2013 14:38:41 GMT -5
Many Countries has found out that losing a war to the U.S IS A GOOD THING .
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Post by Sir John on Aug 12, 2013 15:44:51 GMT -5
It worked for the Principality of Grand Fenwick!
SJ
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Post by mcnoch on Aug 13, 2013 0:36:46 GMT -5
Another advantage was that when they lost the war, the US would rebuild them.... Complete nonsense. Nobody knew what the USA was going to do after the end of the war. After WWI the USA did nothing in this direction, so why should it after WWII. ANd with Russia and the UK which were both calling for total destruction of German industry, etc..
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Aug 13, 2013 9:26:21 GMT -5
Another advantage was that when they lost the war, the US would rebuild them.... Complete nonsense. Nobody knew what the USA was going to do after the end of the war. After WWI the USA did nothing in this direction, so why should it after WWII. ANd with Russia and the UK which were both calling for total destruction of German industry, etc.. Did you not notice the smiley face??
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Post by hornet32 on Aug 13, 2013 9:43:10 GMT -5
The Italians were the first to learn that losing the war in 1943 was a good thing .
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Post by mcnoch on Aug 13, 2013 10:04:27 GMT -5
Did you not notice the smiley face?? There was a smily face? Well, then sorry, it seems that I no longer see all images, etc.. since the software change to the new layout. I tried to use the smileys myself, but it didn't seem to work, at least it was not showing in my browser.
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Aug 13, 2013 11:51:12 GMT -5
Did you not notice the smiley face?? There was a smily face? Well, then sorry, it seems that I no longer see all images, etc.. since the software change to the new layout. I tried to use the smileys myself, but it didn't seem to work, at least it was not showing in my browser. Working fine here. In fact they've added some choices. What browser are you using?
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Post by mcnoch on Aug 13, 2013 12:10:24 GMT -5
I'm using Chrome 28.0.1500.95, but as I still get repeatetly those 503 errors, which are pointing to a replication issue between the cloud-servers in the USA and Germany, I would presume that the missing grafics are part of the bigger issue. For all other pages it works fine. Maybe they upgrade the US systems first and the ones in Europe a bit later.
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