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Post by hornet32 on Oct 11, 2013 13:12:56 GMT -5
Christmas bombing '72 , Gaip said if they went on 5 more days NVN would have had to capitulate , there wasn't one SAM missal left in the whole Country .
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Post by Sir John on Oct 11, 2013 14:04:32 GMT -5
If that came to pass, would not China have sent 1 million men south?
SJ
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Oct 11, 2013 14:08:43 GMT -5
You want to shut down the supply lines you need to start where they begin NVN , the trails parse were dirt bomb dirt an the NVA like an Army of ants filled the bomb hole right back in and were back in business in a hour . Interdicting the trail does not necessarily mean destroying the ground it is built on. You are thinking like destroying a railroad - you need to prohibit the use of the trail not necessarily destroy it.... |
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Post by hornet32 on Oct 11, 2013 16:57:15 GMT -5
We bombed those trails into mud time and again and again over an over .
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Oct 11, 2013 17:00:35 GMT -5
We bombed those trails into mud time and again and again over an over . See above. You don't need to destroy the trail to prohibit its use.... |
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Post by Swampy on Oct 11, 2013 17:29:26 GMT -5
Of course the HCM Trial was a series of trails, but that begs the question as to whether we should have cut their supply lines off. At times, we would bomb the crap out of the HCM Trails. And they would simply make new trails if the others were damaged. BTW, IIRC, they had women and kids help with the trails in some areas. Not all the trail people were NVA and VC. -Don- Reno, NV We're not bombing the mud paths, doof; we're interdicting the supplies and convoys. |
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Post by Swampy on Oct 11, 2013 17:30:55 GMT -5
Christmas bombing '72 , Gaip said if they went on 5 more days NVN would have had to capitulate , there wasn't one SAM missal left in the whole Country . Exactly! If that came to pass, would not China have sent 1 million men south? No, so long as we're not approaching their border. |
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Post by hornet32 on Oct 11, 2013 19:09:30 GMT -5
For one to become an expert on the Vietnam war one needs to go there hump a few trails do some fly overs get the feel of the place , meet the people , an intelligent person could grasp the difficulties in a few days others would take a little longer some will never see the situation .
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Oct 11, 2013 22:36:54 GMT -5
Guess you are the only expert here then, Tet. If you say there was no way the US could have won in RVN, then you must be right....
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Post by dontom on Oct 11, 2013 22:52:45 GMT -5
Guess you are the only expert here then, Tet. If you say there was no way the US could have won in RVN, then you must be right.... How do you define "win" in RVN? "Militarily, we succeeded in Vietnam. We won every engagement we were involved in out there." -General William Childs Westmoreland -Don Quoteman |
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Post by Swampy on Oct 12, 2013 0:26:41 GMT -5
Win would mean the survival of RVN.
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Post by dontom on Oct 12, 2013 1:01:58 GMT -5
Win would mean the survival of RVN. Are those who live in the south any worse off today? -Don- Reno, NV |
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Post by Swampy on Oct 12, 2013 1:35:34 GMT -5
Win would mean the survival of RVN. Are those who live in the south any worse off today? -Don- Reno, NV Of course! If RVN had survived, the genocide would not have happened, the Pol Pot horrors would probably not have happened, and RVN would be like South Korea today. |
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Post by dontom on Oct 12, 2013 2:15:34 GMT -5
Of course! If RVN had survived, the genocide would not have happened, the Pol Pot horrors would probably not have happened, and RVN would be like South Korea today. What genocide? If we never got involved in the first place or just let the all Vietnam election happen in 1956, everybody would have been better off, IMO. And what makes you think the Pol Pot thing never would have happened? -Don- Reno, NV |
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Post by Swampy on Oct 12, 2013 2:47:13 GMT -5
That's not true at all - with the 1954 partition, there was a massive exodus from the north, despite the communist attempts to stop the flow. Check out the documents from the International Control Commission, which I showed at our old place.
As for Pol Pot not happening, if we had cut the HCM Trail at Laos or bushwhacked the NVA back to the stone age, they would never have destabilized Cambodia.
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