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Post by dontom on Dec 2, 2013 6:50:44 GMT -5
Not quite - the communists were brutal even before the US came into power, as witness the atrocities of Stalin and Mao. The common explanation among the communist regimes is NOT American intervention but the regimes. So the same people automatically become big a**holes when they become commie? You don't have to be a commie to be an a**hole. -Don- SF, CA
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Dec 2, 2013 8:50:14 GMT -5
Ummm, Don, they put 2.5 million in concentration camps, and a million died. Another million fled as boat people, and hundreds of thousands were sent to work in the Soviet bloc as slave laborers. And perhaps none of that would have happened if the USA would mind its own business to begin with. -Don- SF, CA Now that makes a lot of sense.... The Vietnamese people love peace and freedom so much that they imprisoned and tortured their own people because the US entered their war on the side of the south. Not even you can really believe that,Don. Wonder what prompted the Khmer Rouge to do the same thing??? Or Uncle Joe Stalin???
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Post by dontom on Dec 2, 2013 9:31:13 GMT -5
Now that makes a lot of sense.... Yes, if we stayed out the war would have been very short and all that reeducation BS then wouldn't then be necessary. -Don- SF, CA
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Post by dontom on Dec 2, 2013 9:32:04 GMT -5
Now that makes a lot of sense.... Yes, if we stayed out the war would have been very short and all that reeducation BS then wouldn't then be necessary. -Don- SF, CA
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Post by Swampy on Dec 2, 2013 10:25:43 GMT -5
Now that makes a lot of sense.... Yes, if we stayed out the war would have been very short and all that reeducation BS then wouldn't then be necessary. -Don- SF, CA So the US is responsible for the genocidal actions of their enemies? They were committing brutalities even during the French era. As I said, the common theme among communist regimes is genocide, be it Maoist China, Stalinist Soviet Union, the Khmer Rouge, or Ho's Vietnam (yes, even in the north). That means the explanatory factor is communism, NOT American intervention. But I'm glad you have finally accepted the fact that Ho's minions committed such acts.
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Dec 2, 2013 14:26:23 GMT -5
Now that makes a lot of sense.... Yes, if we stayed out the war would have been very short and all that reeducation BS then wouldn't then be necessary. -Don- SF, CA And just why do you think that the "reeducation BS" WAS necessary? To cleanse the minds of Who? and of What? and why "necessary"?? I did not know that the mere presence of American GIs could have such a disasterous affect on any population.... With what sedacious ideas did we pollute their minds?
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Post by Swampy on Dec 2, 2013 14:54:43 GMT -5
Good point, Jerry - yeah, Don, what do you mean by reeducation BS? Because they believed differently? Or because they were American allies? Remember the million plus who fled? Or those who couldn't leave? Did they have to be reeducated?
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Post by Sir John on Dec 2, 2013 15:00:26 GMT -5
I think George Orwell could answer that question.
SJ
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Post by hornet32 on Dec 2, 2013 18:21:59 GMT -5
The Empire did a lot of educating the masses the Sepoy revolt and the Opium wars but a few .
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Post by Sir John on Dec 2, 2013 18:55:00 GMT -5
...and the western colonies!
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Post by hornet32 on Dec 2, 2013 22:06:18 GMT -5
In a way America was the Empires Vietnam the Empire was trying to sustain a war 3000 miles away at the same time trying to maintain a presents in Europe thus the Hessian's who nobody liked ended up in America = gasoline and fire .
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Post by Sir John on Dec 2, 2013 22:37:19 GMT -5
"In a way America was the Empires Vietnam the Empire was trying to sustain a war 3000 miles away"
Agree!
If the British had had the 9th, you would still be doing the curtsy!
SJ
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Post by Swampy on Dec 2, 2013 22:59:14 GMT -5
In a way America was the Empires Vietnam the Empire was trying to sustain a war 3000 miles away at the same time trying to maintain a presents in Europe thus the Hessian's who nobody liked ended up in America = gasoline and fire . It wasn't the Empire's Vietnam; the American Revolution was a world war, involving France, Germany, and many other countries.
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Dec 2, 2013 22:59:46 GMT -5
Post by Swampy on Dec 2, 2013 22:59:46 GMT -5
"In a way America was the Empires Vietnam the Empire was trying to sustain a war 3000 miles away" Agree! If the British had had the 9th, you would still be doing the curtsy! SJ If the British had the 9th, the 9th would have joined the Americans, who had better beer.
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Post by hornet32 on Dec 2, 2013 23:14:45 GMT -5
It was a world war in a sense much of the war was in Europe , Empire generals Howe and Cornwallis among others felt that the war was not winnable in America . the French were a great help to the cause , the end result would have been the same .
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