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Dec 2, 2013 23:14:49 GMT -5
Post by Sir John on Dec 2, 2013 23:14:49 GMT -5
Glad the Yanks won the Revolution, if not we would be FRENCH!!!!
SJ
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Dec 2, 2013 23:17:33 GMT -5
Post by Swampy on Dec 2, 2013 23:17:33 GMT -5
Glad the Yanks won the Revolution, if not we would be FRENCH!!!! SJ Or German.
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Dec 2, 2013 23:26:52 GMT -5
Post by Sir John on Dec 2, 2013 23:26:52 GMT -5
No, the french explorer La Perouse arrived the SAME SAY as the British convict fleet.
SJ
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Post by dontom on Dec 3, 2013 1:18:46 GMT -5
And just why do you think that the "reeducation BS" WAS necessary? To cleanse the minds of Who? and of What? and why "necessary"?? I did not know that the mere presence of American GIs could have such a disasterous affect on any population.... With what sedacious ideas did we pollute their minds? The reeducation part was the BS. The real reason was to lock up anybody that could possibly be a threat to them. BTW, if Carlisle was at war with San Francisco, if SF won, would you just stop fighting and let the politicians of SF control Carlisle? I think the SF politicians or troops would have to but you in a camp of some type too, just to keep the peace. But a BS reason such as "reeducation" for SF politics might be a good idea too. What can it hurt? That's what happened in Vietnam. When the war was over, the north made 100% sure it was over. I really don't blame them. The fighting would not have stopped as fast if they gave the south time to reorganize and such after the war was over. Many would want to continue to fight. The north wanted peace after they won the war. -Don- San Francisco, CA
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Post by Swampy on Dec 3, 2013 1:25:48 GMT -5
The reeducation part was the BS. The real reason was to lock up anybody that could possibly be a threat to them. You mean lock up AND KILL. Of course you can blame them - genocide is unacceptable. And, yes, the north wanted peace after they won the war - so what? They wanted the peace of concentration camps and brutalities. And the point still remains that the north was a brutal regime, and, by fighting it, we were fighting an evil foe, so, if we had won, a horrible tragedy would have been averted.
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Post by dontom on Dec 3, 2013 6:36:52 GMT -5
You mean lock up AND KILL. Not killed, but some died. Would you say those who died while in Canadian and USA prisons were "killed" too? Of course you can blame them - genocide is unacceptable. And, yes, the north wanted peace after they won the war - so what? They wanted the peace of concentration camps and brutalities. And the point still remains that the north was a brutal regime, and, by fighting it, we were fighting an evil foe, so, if we had won, a horrible tragedy would have been averted. Do you still believe that the Vietnamese people from the north are more evil than the Vietnamese people from the south? Or was that only back then? And, IYO, is the current commie regime in Vietnam still evil and brutal? Or just the commies of the north? Or only back during the days of the war? -Don- SF, CA
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Dec 3, 2013 8:13:36 GMT -5
Please don't confuse Don with facts -- his mind is made up and no one will change it. The US is evil and its evil was on full view in Vietnam. If the US had not inserted itself in the conflict, all would have been peace, love and flowers, and prosperity under the glorious people's republic would have flourished. The only reason the US got involved was for the oil - don't you know?
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Post by dontom on Dec 3, 2013 9:10:36 GMT -5
Please don't confuse Don with facts -- his mind is made up and no one will change it. The US is evil and its evil was on full view in Vietnam. If the US had not inserted itself in the conflict, all would have been peace, love and flowers, and prosperity under the glorious people's republic would have flourished. The only reason the US got involved was for the oil - don't you know? I am not a bit confused by facts. I am also not confused by the BS I hear here. But I will claim the Vietnamese are Vietnamese. There is not and was not a big difference between the people from the south and north when it came to who's evil. But the south were better at running businesses and the north made better soldiers. But the USA is stupid to get involved in the civil wars of other countries. But that is more stupidity than evil. -Don- SF, CA
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Dec 3, 2013 10:13:31 GMT -5
Post by Swampy on Dec 3, 2013 10:13:31 GMT -5
I didn't say those from the north were evil - you're trying to misrepresent my arguments, Don. I'm saying the communist regime was evil. And of course those from the north were not evil, because over a million fled.
And don't try and whitewash their actions - 2.5 million out of perhaps 12 million were put in concentration camps and 1 million died. Hundreds of thousands fled as boat people, and many thousands more were sent to the Soviet bloc as slave labor.
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Dec 3, 2013 11:02:07 GMT -5
Actually, the reason the US got involved in Vietnam was a conspiracy created by the Democrat, John Kennedy and prolonged by the Democrat, Lyndon Johnson. See they (as good liberals will) decided that there were actually too many men and women in the US forces which was sapping funding from much more important social programs. In order to reduce the armed forces, without involving congress, they conspired to send vast numbers of US troops to Vietnam where many would contract untreatable venerial diseases. There can be no other reason - after all - what else was there in Vietnam except for BUFE's, which no one wanted anyway....
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Dec 3, 2013 11:40:19 GMT -5
Post by hornet32 on Dec 3, 2013 11:40:19 GMT -5
As I've have already informed the confused Vietnam was a direct result of the mis handling of the bay of Pigs which by the way cost the U.S. $54 MILLION to get the hostages back from Cuba , Kennedy needed credibility so he invented the Green Bennie's and shipped their ass to Vietnam .
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Post by dontom on Dec 5, 2013 7:27:31 GMT -5
I didn't say those from the north were evil - you're trying to misrepresent my arguments, Don. I'm saying the communist regime was evil. And of course those from the north were not evil, because over a million fled. And don't try and whitewash their actions - 2.5 million out of perhaps 12 million were put in concentration camps and 1 million died. Hundreds of thousands fled as boat people, and many thousands more were sent to the Soviet bloc as slave labor. If we were not involved and if somehow the south won the war, you think they would have treated those in the north any better after winning? Or is it that there is a requirement to be an evil A-hole to join the commie party? -Don- SSF, CA
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Dec 5, 2013 10:48:01 GMT -5
Post by Swampy on Dec 5, 2013 10:48:01 GMT -5
If we were not involved and if somehow the south won the war, you think they would have treated those in the north any better after winning? Or is it that there is a requirement to be an evil A-hole to join the commie party? -Don- SSF, CA Of course the south would have treated the northerners better - look at the difference between Taiwan and Maoist China, as well as between South Korea and the North. Not only that, when Saigon fell, the Hmong tribesmen had to flee, which they didn't before, as well as the Vietnamese Chinese. Last, but perhaps not least, over a million northerners fled, and more would have gone if the communists hadn't put a stop to it. Those million plus were not ill-treated, and there's a reason why they didn't want to stay. As for the northerners ill-treating the southerners, that's not the explanatory factor; the explanatory factor is the evils of communism - look at how the Viet Cong terrorized the peasants, the worst being the Hue Massacre. As for the requirement to join the commie party, the effect of communism is brutality - the evidence in Asia, particularly VN, is clear.
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Dec 5, 2013 19:15:59 GMT -5
Post by hornet32 on Dec 5, 2013 19:15:59 GMT -5
The South Vietnamese were absolutely terrified of the NVA enforcers that visited their villages from time to time mostly in the dead of night these boys were brutal they thought nothing of grabbing the nearest peasant and putting a bullet in his head just to make a point and at the same time they were terrified of the Americans who thought nothing of burning their fucking village down with them in it , so what was a peasant to do ? .
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Dec 5, 2013 21:01:13 GMT -5
Post by dry on Dec 5, 2013 21:01:13 GMT -5
Then listen to the North Vietnamese who speak Vietnamese. Such as Ho Chi Minh. They wanted freedom, Independence from other countries, and of course, peace, which the USA would not let them have. "The Vietnamese people deeply love independence, freedom and peace. But in the face of United States aggression they have risen up, united as one man." --Ho Chi Minh -Don Quoteman, SSF, CA And you are willing to stake your professional reputation on the validity of that translation??? You may even have believed Baghdad Bob when he announced the victory of the Iraqi forces and the vanquishing of the American imperialists.... According to the European media, the Americans were in Vietnam because of the domino piece theory: if they would allow for one nation to fall in the hands of the Commies, then several other ones would fall into their hands, like a set of domino game pieces, where the falling of one makes others fall down. The Commies got Vietnam -- according to one American acquaintance, because the politicians blundered it -- but the Commies did not get "a set of domino pieces".
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