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Post by bluejay77 on Mar 29, 2013 10:30:13 GMT -5
Your last sentence is assinine - not that you are, just the sentence. There are countless millions in the world who could not survive without faith. They NEED religion or faith of whatever sustains them. The sentence is a cute one but doesn't address the millions who would argue against it. There are there some 2'000'000'000 Christians on Earth. Mostly Catholics. It is indeed true that most of their moral norms and ethics stem from Christianity, and undoubtedly that religion offers psychological support. Indeed: Much of the venerable Western civilization is based on Christianity. Here I'm merely continuing the discussion, I'm not at all arguing against you: But, to think that a religion is a "good" one because it has a very large number of adherents -- is not logically valid. If you know enough -- Christianity indeed is an umbrella of a fish. But that is one of the highly wise stories of the MKULTRA, to my knowledge.
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Post by dontom on Mar 30, 2013 3:51:29 GMT -5
I'm not a particularly religious person but I completely understand why some people NEED it. I wish you WOULD try to explain it to me. I do NOT understand at all why so many people in this world need to believe in such obvious nonsense.
And many people kill themselves with their religion too. Heaven's Gate, JonesTown, etc.
If you (or anybody) really do understand it, I would like to hear it explained. I just cannot make any sense out of it, yet it is so common all over the world.
Why do people have a need to believe in such obvious nonsense? Is it to get high?
-Don-
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Post by mcnoch on Mar 30, 2013 5:31:38 GMT -5
Why do people have a need to believe in such obvious nonsense? Is it to get high? For the poor it is hope, for the other a tradition or a matter of habit. The later is the reason why the laws of religion were no longer taken so serious in the past 30 years, until the fundamentalists returned to center stage and now are terrorizing the other. Wherever you look, Christian fundamentalists in the USA, Jews in Israel, Islamist, even the Buddhists see an increasing number of fundamentalists. Why do they have success? Because the majority has no real interest in their religion and a kind of bad conscience about that, so they let the true believers take over. Everybody is believing in something, some in religion (whatever flavor), other that the free markets would cure everything wrong, some that there is a secret world government of Templars, pulling the strings and so on. The human brain has a center, when this is stimulated, it causes strong religious feelings. So whatever is stimulating this center, it makes you believe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2013 8:06:11 GMT -5
Don,
It's impossible to explain what faith is to a non-believer. Either you have it or you don't. What I find insulting is your constant belittling religion - and remember that I'm not particularly religious - and anything you personally don't believe in. I would venture to say that on this small forum the majority of us disagree with homosexualism, yet - to my memory - you have not been belittled because you are one. One would think you would take that into account before you belittled others.
Denny
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Post by dontom on Mar 31, 2013 1:32:51 GMT -5
The human brain has a center, when this is stimulated, it causes strong religious feelings. So whatever is stimulating this center, it makes you believe. I realize some people don't seem to understand that human emotions are often false. What we feel does not indicate truth. But I guess region is kind of like the disease of Anorexia nervosa. One can look at a weight chart and see they are way underweight, but "feel" that they are too fat and kill themselves from not eating.
This is similar, IMAO, to a well-educated person who doesn't believe in evolution, (which is a very well proven scientific fact these days) and rejects it because of a "religious feeling" that they believe has to be true, such as the ridiculous and even childish Adam and Eve story.
Anorexia nervosa as well as religion are things I just cannot understand. How can anybody be so illogical over a (obviously false, IMAO) feeling?
-Don- SSF, CA
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Post by Sir John on Mar 31, 2013 2:20:03 GMT -5
...same with global warming!
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Post by dontom on Mar 31, 2013 2:35:11 GMT -5
...same with global warming! In some cases, perhaps so. But I prefer to let the scientists debate that one, and its cause. And what can be done about it, if anything.
-Don- SSF, CA
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Post by jerryfmcompushaft on Mar 31, 2013 8:24:45 GMT -5
I would guess that Don belittles religion because it allows him to feel superior. A feeling that he does not get in any other way....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 11:03:13 GMT -5
Amen! Oh excuse me, I didn't mean to allow a religious expression, which we all know as nonsense and stupid, enter into my blurb.
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Post by dontom on Mar 31, 2013 14:54:02 GMT -5
I would guess that Don belittles religion because it allows him to feel superior. A feeling that he does not get in any other way.... IMAO, it IS superior to not believe in obvious superstitious nonsense. That has nothing to do with "feelings", it has to do with reality.
"I accept reality and dare not question it." --Walt Whitman
-Don Quoteman
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Post by dontom on Mar 31, 2013 14:58:46 GMT -5
It is indeed true that most of their moral norms and ethics stem from Christianity. Can you give some examples?
-Don-
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Post by Sir John on Mar 31, 2013 21:46:49 GMT -5
The Ten Commandments?
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Post by dontom on Apr 1, 2013 0:56:49 GMT -5
Are you kidding?
"I. I am the Lord thy God; thou shalt have no other gods before me."
Not a law!
"II. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain."
Not a law!
"III. Remember the SABBATH day, to keep it holy."
Not a law!
" IV. Honor thy father and thy mother."
Not a law!
"V. Thou shalt not kill."
Not always a law (killing during war is legal, so is many other types of killing legal).
VI. Thou shalt not commit ADULTERY.
Not a law!
" VII. Thou shalt not steal."
AFAIK, that is law everywhere, even in commie atheist countries.
"VIII. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."
Not a law!
"IX. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house."
Not a law!
" X. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor's."
Not a law!
Would you like to try again?
-Don-
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Post by Sir John on Apr 1, 2013 2:30:42 GMT -5
No thanks!
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Post by bluejay77 on Apr 1, 2013 4:02:56 GMT -5
It is indeed true that most of their moral norms and ethics stem from Christianity. Can you give some examples?
-Don- OK, I shall attempt. Homicide, murder is punishable under essentially all laws. Adultery -- well it is considered ethically bad. Stealing, punishable usually with a fine in Finland. Many big organizations practize some sort of philantropy or charity. But I want to say that I'm not being dogmatic about this point.
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